The coming stock market crash (9/8/07)
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Muito didático Basher...
Seguindo os anglicismos aqui vai outra só do maior Banco do Mundo ... HSBC.
Se é assim com as mãos fortes imagino como será com os pequenos a chiar ... é ver o Ibex ou o PSI.
Os spreads do credito aumentaram já mais de 3 vezes para os melhores ratings mundiais, imaginem o resto...
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-- HSBC Holdings Plc, Europe's biggest bank, is relying on insurance units in Asia to help restore profit growth after a $15.5 billion expansion into U.S. subprime lending went awry.
HSBC earned $1.6 billion from insurance in the first half of 2007 and plans to double the division's profit in five years. The London-based bank agreed this week to buy stakes in insurers in India and Vietnam. Earnings from the U.S., where HSBC acquired Household International Inc. in 2002 in its biggest takeover, fell 43 percent in the first six months of this year.
``Insurance is a genuine growth opportunity,'' said Simon Maughan, a London-based analyst at MF Global Securities Ltd. who has a ``hold'' rating on HSBC shares. ``It is also a good distraction from the problems they are having in the U.S.''
Chairman Stephen Green is under pressure to improve shareholder returns, which have trailed Spain's Banco Santander SA and UBS AG of Switzerland, HSBC's biggest European competitors, since it bought Household. Knight Vinke Asset Management, the investor that campaigned to block Suez SA's merger with Gaz de France SA, asked Green and HSBC's board last week for a ``fundamental review'' of strategy and management.
The bank has lost senior bankers in Asia and Europe in the past three months. Paul Hand, global banking co-head, will leave after 21 years, an internal memo given to Bloomberg showed today.
Seguindo os anglicismos aqui vai outra só do maior Banco do Mundo ... HSBC.
Se é assim com as mãos fortes imagino como será com os pequenos a chiar ... é ver o Ibex ou o PSI.
Os spreads do credito aumentaram já mais de 3 vezes para os melhores ratings mundiais, imaginem o resto...
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-- HSBC Holdings Plc, Europe's biggest bank, is relying on insurance units in Asia to help restore profit growth after a $15.5 billion expansion into U.S. subprime lending went awry.
HSBC earned $1.6 billion from insurance in the first half of 2007 and plans to double the division's profit in five years. The London-based bank agreed this week to buy stakes in insurers in India and Vietnam. Earnings from the U.S., where HSBC acquired Household International Inc. in 2002 in its biggest takeover, fell 43 percent in the first six months of this year.
``Insurance is a genuine growth opportunity,'' said Simon Maughan, a London-based analyst at MF Global Securities Ltd. who has a ``hold'' rating on HSBC shares. ``It is also a good distraction from the problems they are having in the U.S.''
Chairman Stephen Green is under pressure to improve shareholder returns, which have trailed Spain's Banco Santander SA and UBS AG of Switzerland, HSBC's biggest European competitors, since it bought Household. Knight Vinke Asset Management, the investor that campaigned to block Suez SA's merger with Gaz de France SA, asked Green and HSBC's board last week for a ``fundamental review'' of strategy and management.
The bank has lost senior bankers in Asia and Europe in the past three months. Paul Hand, global banking co-head, will leave after 21 years, an internal memo given to Bloomberg showed today.
Quem não gosta de petiscar... nada de teimosias e muita humildade são temperos essencias
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O Artigo resume que tudo não deve passar de um "BOX SPREAD" - An option position composed of a long call and short put at one strike, and a short call and long put at a different strike. For example, a long 50/60 box spread would be long the 50 call, short the 50 put, short the 60 call and long the 60 put. Considered largely immune to changes in the price of the underlying stock, in most cases, a box spread is an interest rate trade. For all intents and purposes, the buyer of the box is lending money to the options market, and the seller of the box is borrowing money from the options market.
ALguém pode explicar isto em termos practicos?
Crise? Qual crise?
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Resumindo:
O movimento de puts tem uma explicação relativamente lógica, e os agitadores continuam no mercado...
Convence-me mais do que a trade do Bin. E aliás se houver algum grande esquema montado, como houve no 9/11, não será certamente por uma organização terrorista e será explicada, tal como o 9/11 e o assassinato do kennedy, entre outros, daqui a alguns séculos.
Isto está mesmo dificil...aposto na subida, na descida, ou levanto-me da mesa, deixo os profissionais a jogar e tento aprender qualquer coisa
Nenhum dos foristas tem poderes paranormais como o nicolas cage? Mas de perferencia mais virados para as acções...e já agora se não for pedir muito, os numeros do euromilhões da semana que vem em PM, pra eu jogar este jogo da bolsa mais folgado.
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O site é o seguinte e existem ainda alguns videos
no you tube...
http://forums.gainesville.com/eve/forum ... 4091098056
no you tube...
http://forums.gainesville.com/eve/forum ... 4091098056
"Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside themselves was superior to circumstance."
Bruce Barton (1886 - 1967) American advertising executive, U.S. congressman
Bruce Barton (1886 - 1967) American advertising executive, U.S. congressman
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Acredito que o site seja lusitano.
De facto, há muito que se diz que acaba sempre asssim ...alguém terá de pagar o defict crónico dos USA mas por os China´s a pagar o sub-prime é de mestre.
Agora as consequências
Gostava de ter a fonte da notícia
De facto, há muito que se diz que acaba sempre asssim ...alguém terá de pagar o defict crónico dos USA mas por os China´s a pagar o sub-prime é de mestre.
Agora as consequências
Gostava de ter a fonte da notícia
Quem não gosta de petiscar... nada de teimosias e muita humildade são temperos essencias
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Right...
Now imagine you are "the authority" and suppose that what you are describing is a market anomaly. Isn't that great? The markets as a terrorist threat meter. And if it works that way, what would you do? Double time, let's move and get those terrorists, right?
That just makes me feel safer:)
Now imagine you are "the authority" and suppose that what you are describing is a market anomaly. Isn't that great? The markets as a terrorist threat meter. And if it works that way, what would you do? Double time, let's move and get those terrorists, right?
That just makes me feel safer:)
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The coming stock market crash (9/8/07)
Posted September 11, 2007 09:03 PM
"In early August, when I learned that the authority would shut down Bay Bridge in Labor Day week-ends, to my experience with Feds, I knew there would be another plot planned that month, and the action date was at 8/31 to 9/3.
Then news said Karl Rove would leave his office on 8/30. People couldn't find the reason why Rove resigned at this time, they could only guess that he was leaving a sunken ship. I related it to the August plot. Because to distract a framed drug case, there would come a massive terror attack. He left the day before another "super 911", to extricate himself from the suspicion of being the mastermind of terror attack and also to lull the people into a false sense of peace that an evil brain of Bush was absent so no conspiracy was in progress.
Then there came such a news:
Quote, "$4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe
within four weeks."
Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting?
August 26, 2007
The two sales are being referred to by market traders as "bin Laden trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these short-sell options valuable.
There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700 points away from current value. No one would buy that deep "in the money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity that I haven't seen before.
The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over $1 billion just for engaging in these contracts!
Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21.
THEORIES:
The following theories are being discussed widely within the stock and options markets today regarding the enormous and very unusual activity reported above and two stories below. Those theories are:
1) A massive terrorist attack is going to take place before Sept. 21 to tank the markets, OR;
2) China, reeling over losing $10 Billion in bad loans to the sub-prime mortgage collapse presently taking place, is going to dump US currency and tank all of Capitalism with a Communist financial revolution. Either scenario is bad and the clock is ticking. The drop-dead date of these contracts is September 21. Whatever is going to happen MUST take place between now and then or the folks involved in these contracts will lose over $1 billion for having engaged in this activity.
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"In early August, when I learned that the authority would shut down Bay Bridge in Labor Day week-ends, to my experience with Feds, I knew there would be another plot planned that month, and the action date was at 8/31 to 9/3.
Then news said Karl Rove would leave his office on 8/30. People couldn't find the reason why Rove resigned at this time, they could only guess that he was leaving a sunken ship. I related it to the August plot. Because to distract a framed drug case, there would come a massive terror attack. He left the day before another "super 911", to extricate himself from the suspicion of being the mastermind of terror attack and also to lull the people into a false sense of peace that an evil brain of Bush was absent so no conspiracy was in progress.
Then there came such a news:
Quote, "$4.5 billion options bet on catastrophe
within four weeks."
Anybody have a clue as to what these 'investors' are expecting?
August 26, 2007
The two sales are being referred to by market traders as "bin Laden trades" because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these short-sell options valuable.
There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700 points away from current value. No one would buy that deep "in the money" calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity that I haven't seen before.
The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over $1 billion just for engaging in these contracts!
Clearly, someone knows something big is going to happen BEFORE the options expire on Sept. 21.
THEORIES:
The following theories are being discussed widely within the stock and options markets today regarding the enormous and very unusual activity reported above and two stories below. Those theories are:
1) A massive terrorist attack is going to take place before Sept. 21 to tank the markets, OR;
2) China, reeling over losing $10 Billion in bad loans to the sub-prime mortgage collapse presently taking place, is going to dump US currency and tank all of Capitalism with a Communist financial revolution. Either scenario is bad and the clock is ticking. The drop-dead date of these contracts is September 21. Whatever is going to happen MUST take place between now and then or the folks involved in these contracts will lose over $1 billion for having engaged in this activity.
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"Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside themselves was superior to circumstance."
Bruce Barton (1886 - 1967) American advertising executive, U.S. congressman
Bruce Barton (1886 - 1967) American advertising executive, U.S. congressman
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