Delta Air Lines! O fundo estará nos 2.50?
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Mergers Could Follow Delta-US Airways
Thursday November 16, 3:04 am ET
By Joshua Freed, AP Business Writer
Despite Outcome of US Airways Plan to Buy Delta, More Airline Mergers Could Come Soon
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Whether or not US Airways manages to buy Delta Air Lines, more airline mergers could be on the way, analysts said.
On Wednesday, US Airways Group Inc. said it was offering $8 billion in a hostile bid to take over rival Delta Air Lines Inc. and create the nation's largest carrier. The move, despite Delta's repeated statements it isn't interested in a merger, could start a stampede of competing bids in a long-predicted industry consolidation.
Mergers Could Follow Delta-US Airways
Thursday November 16, 3:04 am ET
By Joshua Freed, AP Business Writer
Despite Outcome of US Airways Plan to Buy Delta, More Airline Mergers Could Come Soon
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Whether or not US Airways manages to buy Delta Air Lines, more airline mergers could be on the way, analysts said.
On Wednesday, US Airways Group Inc. said it was offering $8 billion in a hostile bid to take over rival Delta Air Lines Inc. and create the nation's largest carrier. The move, despite Delta's repeated statements it isn't interested in a merger, could start a stampede of competing bids in a long-predicted industry consolidation.
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US Airways Makes $8B Bid for Delta
Wednesday November 15, 12:18 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer
US Airways Makes $8 Billion Cash and Stock Offer for Delta Once Delta Emerges From Bankruptcy
Wednesday November 15, 12:18 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Business Writer
US Airways Makes $8 Billion Cash and Stock Offer for Delta Once Delta Emerges From Bankruptcy
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Movimento "descolagem"
Boa subida hoje, RSI overbought, volume etc...
Estou out.
Boa subida hoje, RSI overbought, volume etc...
Estou out.
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Katrina pourrait précipiter la faillite de Delta Air Lines
NEW YORK (Reuters) - L'ouragan Katrina risque de précipiter la faillite de Delta Air Lines et d'aggraver les problèmes affrontés par le secteur des transports aériens américains, déclare Standard & Poor's.
"L'effet potentiel le plus sérieux est celui de la hausse des prix des carburants, plutôt qu'un effet direct sur l'activité", déclare l'agence de notation dans un communiqué.
L'ouragan se traduira aussi par une baisse du chiffre d'affaires des compagnies aériennes desservant les régions ravagées, ajoute-t-elle.
Delta, qui est déjà en très mauvaise posture, déposera probablement son bilan dans un délai de quelques semaines, estime-t-elle.
Delta et la société d'Atlanta AirTran Holdings sont très présentes dans le sud-est des Etats-Unis, mais AirTran a davantage de trésorerie et des résultats d'exploitation bien meilleurs que ceux de Delta, observe encore S&P.
Chez Delta, on se refuse à tout commentaire.
© 2005 Reuters Limited
NEW YORK (Reuters) - L'ouragan Katrina risque de précipiter la faillite de Delta Air Lines et d'aggraver les problèmes affrontés par le secteur des transports aériens américains, déclare Standard & Poor's.
"L'effet potentiel le plus sérieux est celui de la hausse des prix des carburants, plutôt qu'un effet direct sur l'activité", déclare l'agence de notation dans un communiqué.
L'ouragan se traduira aussi par une baisse du chiffre d'affaires des compagnies aériennes desservant les régions ravagées, ajoute-t-elle.
Delta, qui est déjà en très mauvaise posture, déposera probablement son bilan dans un délai de quelques semaines, estime-t-elle.
Delta et la société d'Atlanta AirTran Holdings sont très présentes dans le sud-est des Etats-Unis, mais AirTran a davantage de trésorerie et des résultats d'exploitation bien meilleurs que ceux de Delta, observe encore S&P.
Chez Delta, on se refuse à tout commentaire.
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menos de 1 dolar é uma questãode poucos dias!
já fez 1.15 hoje!
A queda continua embora a um ritmo quase constante!
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A queda continua embora a um ritmo quase constante!
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... e lá está ela já nos €1,21...
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Atênção a isto.....
Delta Still Facing Bankruptcy Threat
Delta Still Facing Bankruptcy Threat After Sale of Feeder Carrier
ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc.'s decision to sell one of its regional carriers gives it some desperately needed cash, but the company is warning that a bankruptcy filing remains a distinct possibility.
Airline analyst Ray Neidl of Calyon Securities said Delta's $425 million sale of Atlantic Southeast Airlines Inc. to SkyWest Inc. is a good start, but more needs to be done.
"They have to somehow get some relief from debt maturities," Neidl said. "This gives them a little space to get the other things going."
Atlanta-based Delta, which has more than $20 billion in total debt and lease obligations, acknowledged as much in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday, shortly after it announced the ASA sale.
"Our preference has always been to avoid a restructuring under Chapter 11," Delta said. But, it warned there is "significant uncertainty" about whether it can raise enough additional cash to deal with an expected cash decline through the end of the year.
Delta, the nation's third-largest carrier, said the proceeds of the ASA sale will be used for general corporate purposes and to pay down $100 million of debt under its loan agreement with GE Commercial Finance and other lenders.
The sale, subject to regulatory review, is expected to close in September.
Also Monday, Standard & Poor's said it will replace Delta with Public Storage Inc. on the S&P 500 index later this week, citing the airline's reduced market capitalization of about $200 million. Public Storage is a real estate investment trust based in Glendale, Calif. Heavy equipment manufacturer Caterpillar Inc. will replace Delta on the S&P 100 index.
In the SEC filing, Delta said that even with the sale of ASA and other financing deals it is trying to work out, it could still be forced into bankruptcy. It noted that prior loan agreements with GE and American Express require it to maintain certain cash and earnings levels that it might not be able to maintain unless it can renegotiate parts of the agreements.
The SEC filing also updated investors on Delta's efforts to negotiate an agreement with a new Visa/MasterCard credit card processor. Its existing processing contract expires on Aug. 29.
In the filing, Delta said it reached a letter of agreement Monday to extend the current contract to Oct. 31 at the latest and to initiate a cash holdback for Visa/MasterCard receivables for tickets sold beginning Monday. The holdback would be at least $750 million if Delta keeps its current processor to the last possible moment.
That's the amount of a cash reserve that Delta said it would be required to set up as part of an agreement it is still trying to work out with a new processor. The reserve would be deposited with the new processor immediately upon start of the new contract, for tickets purchased using Visa or MasterCard but not yet flown.
The extension with Delta's current processor is still subject to final approvals.
Delta also noted in the filing the continued threat it faces from early retirements by its 6,000 to 7,000 pilots. It said that since January, roughly 565 pilots have retired, including 475 who did so early. Of those who retired early, 145 did so on Aug. 1, substantially more than historical levels, Delta said.
Delta, hit by high fuel costs, has lost nearly $10 billion since January 2001.
As for the deal with SkyWest, ASA will continue to serve Delta customers under a new 15-year agreement, with ASA's fleet of more than 150 aircraft continuing to fly Delta routes.
SkyWest Inc., based in St. George, Utah, is the parent company of SkyWest Airlines, which operates as an independently owned partner carrier to Delta. SkyWest has been a Delta Connection carrier since 1987.
Delta purchased ASA in 1999. Today, it provides 957 daily connection flights for Delta.
The terms of the sale call for $350 million in cash to be payable at closing, representing $330 million of the purchase price and $20 million relating to certain aircraft financing deposits.
Delta would receive the rest later, if it keeps using SkyWest for regional flights on the same contract terms, even in bankruptcy court.
Conversely, SkyWest would be entitled to retain the $125 million if Delta were to reject its Delta Connection agreement with either ASA or SkyWest Airlines in a Chapter 11 proceeding prior to the fourth anniversary of the closing of the transaction.
O melhor é esperar pra ver, estou fora dela, nem para longo nem para curto, está muito arriscado, mesmo depois desta entrada de dinheiro.
Delta Still Facing Bankruptcy Threat After Sale of Feeder Carrier
ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc.'s decision to sell one of its regional carriers gives it some desperately needed cash, but the company is warning that a bankruptcy filing remains a distinct possibility.
Airline analyst Ray Neidl of Calyon Securities said Delta's $425 million sale of Atlantic Southeast Airlines Inc. to SkyWest Inc. is a good start, but more needs to be done.
"They have to somehow get some relief from debt maturities," Neidl said. "This gives them a little space to get the other things going."
Atlanta-based Delta, which has more than $20 billion in total debt and lease obligations, acknowledged as much in a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday, shortly after it announced the ASA sale.
"Our preference has always been to avoid a restructuring under Chapter 11," Delta said. But, it warned there is "significant uncertainty" about whether it can raise enough additional cash to deal with an expected cash decline through the end of the year.
Delta, the nation's third-largest carrier, said the proceeds of the ASA sale will be used for general corporate purposes and to pay down $100 million of debt under its loan agreement with GE Commercial Finance and other lenders.
The sale, subject to regulatory review, is expected to close in September.
Also Monday, Standard & Poor's said it will replace Delta with Public Storage Inc. on the S&P 500 index later this week, citing the airline's reduced market capitalization of about $200 million. Public Storage is a real estate investment trust based in Glendale, Calif. Heavy equipment manufacturer Caterpillar Inc. will replace Delta on the S&P 100 index.
In the SEC filing, Delta said that even with the sale of ASA and other financing deals it is trying to work out, it could still be forced into bankruptcy. It noted that prior loan agreements with GE and American Express require it to maintain certain cash and earnings levels that it might not be able to maintain unless it can renegotiate parts of the agreements.
The SEC filing also updated investors on Delta's efforts to negotiate an agreement with a new Visa/MasterCard credit card processor. Its existing processing contract expires on Aug. 29.
In the filing, Delta said it reached a letter of agreement Monday to extend the current contract to Oct. 31 at the latest and to initiate a cash holdback for Visa/MasterCard receivables for tickets sold beginning Monday. The holdback would be at least $750 million if Delta keeps its current processor to the last possible moment.
That's the amount of a cash reserve that Delta said it would be required to set up as part of an agreement it is still trying to work out with a new processor. The reserve would be deposited with the new processor immediately upon start of the new contract, for tickets purchased using Visa or MasterCard but not yet flown.
The extension with Delta's current processor is still subject to final approvals.
Delta also noted in the filing the continued threat it faces from early retirements by its 6,000 to 7,000 pilots. It said that since January, roughly 565 pilots have retired, including 475 who did so early. Of those who retired early, 145 did so on Aug. 1, substantially more than historical levels, Delta said.
Delta, hit by high fuel costs, has lost nearly $10 billion since January 2001.
As for the deal with SkyWest, ASA will continue to serve Delta customers under a new 15-year agreement, with ASA's fleet of more than 150 aircraft continuing to fly Delta routes.
SkyWest Inc., based in St. George, Utah, is the parent company of SkyWest Airlines, which operates as an independently owned partner carrier to Delta. SkyWest has been a Delta Connection carrier since 1987.
Delta purchased ASA in 1999. Today, it provides 957 daily connection flights for Delta.
The terms of the sale call for $350 million in cash to be payable at closing, representing $330 million of the purchase price and $20 million relating to certain aircraft financing deposits.
Delta would receive the rest later, if it keeps using SkyWest for regional flights on the same contract terms, even in bankruptcy court.
Conversely, SkyWest would be entitled to retain the $125 million if Delta were to reject its Delta Connection agreement with either ASA or SkyWest Airlines in a Chapter 11 proceeding prior to the fourth anniversary of the closing of the transaction.
O melhor é esperar pra ver, estou fora dela, nem para longo nem para curto, está muito arriscado, mesmo depois desta entrada de dinheiro.
Mais vale um pássaro na mão que dois a voar
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Delta Air Lines shares jumped to $2 after the beleaguered air carrier said it is selling its Atlantic Southeast Airlines for $425 million in cash to SkyWest Inc. in a bid to raise capital to fend off bankruptcy. Part of the sale proceeds will be used to pay down $100 million in debt, including some from GE Commercial Finance . The ASA operations will still fly for Delta Connection, the airline said.
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Investors retreat from Delta Air Lines
By August Cole, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:08 PM ET Aug. 15, 2005
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Delta Air Lines shares sank as much as 19% and hit a new low Monday, reflecting investors' beliefs that the beleaguered airline is moving closer to filing for bankruptcy.
Delta's stock fell 26 cents to $1.35, with nearly 21 million shares changing hands. At one point, the stock hit a record low at $1.31.
The Atlanta-based airline (DAL: news, chart, profile) hasn't hidden the fact that it faces daunting headwinds.
Reflecting that uncertainty, Delta shares have been falling all summer as crude-oil and jet-fuel prices have been trading at record highs. In the past 30 days, Delta stock is down 53%, and it's off 78% so far this year.
The New York Times reported over the weekend that Delta is working with General Electric's finance arm to help pull together financing in case the airline decides it needs to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection from creditors.
A Delta spokesman declined to comment on the report.
The threat of bankruptcy has dogged Delta before. Last fall, the airline struggled with red ink amid tumultuous talks with its unionized pilots. The pilots eventually relented and the airline announced financing deals with General Electric (GE: news, chart, profile) and American Express (AXP: news, chart, profile) that helped allay bankruptcy concerns. See full story.
"I'm sure they're talking to a whole bunch of people," said Roger King, analyst with CreditSights. "If they do go into bankruptcy, they would have to have the ability to raise more cash," King said. "The question is how much unencumbered collateral is there."
A July 26 memo to Delta employees from Chief Executive Jerry Grinstein made it clear that the company wants to continue to pare back costs without the help of a bankruptcy judge. But Grinstein also said that the airline couldn't relent on its restructuring.
"We have been candid about the risk that a number of factors, some of which are beyond our control, will affect our ability to avoid a Chapter 11 filing," Grinstein wrote in the memo. "However, we are still working to pursue an out-of-court solution, even as we face increasing financial pressures."
Grinstein's memo followed the company's second-quarter report, in which Delta reported a loss of $382 million. The red ink was less than last year, however, even though fuel prices rose.
Grinstein has brought in new executives, including a fresh face to occupy the top financial post. Edward Bastian replaced Michael Palumbo as chief financial officer, a move announced on the eve of the company's quarterly report, but Grinstein downplayed attaching any significance to Bastian's hiring as a sign the company was looking to reorganize while in bankruptcy. See full story.
Since then, crude futures have risen further and touched a record atop $67 a barrel last week. See full story.
Pension costs are another burden for Delta, made worse when rivals like US Airways (UAIRQ: news, chart, profile) and United Airlines (UALAQ: news, chart, profile) have defaulted on their plans and turned them over to the government-backed pension agency, said Joe Brancatelli, who publishes business-travel Web site JoeSentMe.com. That hurts not just Delta, he said, but any airline still covering its retirement obligations.
"It becomes almost impossible for them to compete when you're giving one of their competitors billions of dollars in legal relief," he told MarketWatch. Listen to the interview with Brancatelli.
'Pretty toxic'
Delta also recently delayed its quarterly filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission because of negotiations over its credit-card processing agreements and how much of a cash reserve is needed to secure plane tickets that have been bought but not yet used. See full story.
That filing is expected on Monday after it was delayed on Aug. 9. The reserve could reach into the hundreds of millions of dollars, consuming valuable cash.
"An $800 million hit to an airline that's doing everything it can to conserve cash while it's paying ferocious prices for fuel, and now will be looking at the slowdown in terms off sales after Labor Day -- it's a pretty toxic mixture," Brancatelli said.
He also pointed out that a change in bankruptcy laws this October makes conditions more favorable for companies to file before that deadline
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Trading - Acções Falidas , por Incognitus
2005-01-10 20:20
Um dos padróes mais estranhos a emergir nos últimos anos, é o que toca à forma como transaccionam as acções das empresas que acabam de falir.
Ainda hoje, existiu mais um exemplo: a Torch Offshore (TORC).
Basicamente, estas acções abrem com uma queda forte (que começa no pre-market do dia em que anunciam a falência), mas imediatamente encetam uma subida fortíssima ainda nesse mesmo dia, e que por vezes dura até vários dias ou semanas.
Foi o caso da TORC, hoje abriu a $0.75 e chegou depois a um máximo de $1.19 estando agora a $1.03.
Foi também o caso de falências bem mais conhecidas dos últimos anos, como a K-Mart (KM), Enron (ENE), Worldcom (WCOM), US Air (USAIR), etc. Ou menos conhecidas, como a ATAH.
Na realidade, virtualmente todas as falências que foram precedidas de rumor de falência e de quedas e liquidez elevadas tiveram depois, no dia em que faliram, e por vezes nos dias e semanas seguintes, subidas (desde o ponto onde abriram depois de falir) que facilmente foram a 50-200%.
Este parece o caso mais extremo e aberrante de “Sell the Rumor, Buy the News”. Ou, “O pior já estava descontado”. Não vamos especular sobre o que leva estas subidas a acontecer, resta apenas saber que estas acontecem em praticamente todas as falências, pelo que podemos retirar 3 conclusões para como actuar nestas situações.
1º Se for apanhado numa acção que faliu.
NÃO venda imediatamente após o anúncio da falência. Espere que a acção transaccione pelo menos 6-12 horas com o mercado já aberto, ou se tiver mesmo muita coragem, 1-2 dias. Depois venda. Venda, porque em virtualmente todas as falências as acções existentes no momento da falência são depois canceladas, ou seja, valem zero. Só não venda se conseguir efectuar uma análise que lhe permita concluir que a empresa conseguirá satisfazer todos os credores durante o processo de falência (o que é altamente dúbio, já que de outra forma dificilmente teria falido).
2º Se for um especulador destemido
Se for um especulador destemido, fica agora a saber que este fenómeno de subida das falidas existe e é real. Como tal, é aproveitável do lado longo. Assim, dentro das falências que foram especuladas “à priori” e cairam com liquidez, compre no “pre-market” ou poucos minutos depois da abertura. Venda da mesma forma que foi aconselhado no ponto 1, e terá uma probabilidade muito elevada de realizar mais valias. Claro, não faça o trade com muito capital, já que estemos a falar de acções de empresas falidas!
3º Se planeia fazer trading dias depois de a empresa falir
Não faça. A sua vantagem neste trade é conhecer o fenómeno descrito neste artigo, mas esse fenómeno só é sólido imediatamente após a falência da empresa em questão. Após essa recuperação inicial, tenderá a acontecer a essa acção o que acontece a quase todas as acções de todas as empresas falidas: deslizará para zero e será cancelada por emissão de novas acções.
Ou seja, não detenha em carteira acções de empresas falidas após o rebound inicial. Aproveite o rebound para minimizar perdas ou realizar ganhos, mas não se prenda à esperança, pois a esperança foi-se no momento em que a empresa faliu. (Isto, salvaguardando a capacidade de análise da situação que lhe permita encontrar as muito raras situações onde a empresa possa emergir da falência sem cancelar a totalidade das acções – sendo raro, o melhor mesmo é não contar com isso).
SALVAGUARDA
Este fenómeno só se verifica nos mercados americanos. Não tente aplicar este conhecimento a acções acabadas de falir em mercados Europeus.
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Só para comunicar que está a 1,35USD por acção... e continua a afundar...
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Obrigado Marco.
Quanto às cotações por vezes acontecem coisas estranhas e elas até sobem (vá-se lá saber...). A psicologia manda um bocado na bolsa (basta haverem umas centenas de milhares de americanos que pensem "isto já caiu tanto, não pode cair mais". Acho que neste caso só se aparecesse uma dessas firmas de capital de risco Colombianas
ou então uma ajudinha de Washington é que se safava. Não creio mas nunca se sabe...
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Quanto às cotações por vezes acontecem coisas estranhas e elas até sobem (vá-se lá saber...). A psicologia manda um bocado na bolsa (basta haverem umas centenas de milhares de americanos que pensem "isto já caiu tanto, não pode cair mais". Acho que neste caso só se aparecesse uma dessas firmas de capital de risco Colombianas
Cumprimentos
JCS
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"We can confidently predict yesterdays price. Everything else is unknown."
"Every trade is a test"
"Price is the aggregation of everyone's expectations"
"I don't define a good trade as a trade that makes money. I define a good trade as a trade where I did the right thing". (Trend Follower Kevin Bruce, $5000 to $100.000.000 in 25 years).
https://twitter.com/JCSTrendTrading
"We can confidently predict yesterdays price. Everything else is unknown."
"Every trade is a test"
"Price is the aggregation of everyone's expectations"
"I don't define a good trade as a trade that makes money. I define a good trade as a trade where I did the right thing". (Trend Follower Kevin Bruce, $5000 to $100.000.000 in 25 years).
E se os Americanos lessem o caldeirão e soubessem Português!
Parabéns JCS, de facto a tua anaálise foi excelente acerca dos fundamentais da Delta Air. Quem lesse a tua análise só se fosse extremamente louco comprava, ou mantinha acções da dita!
Aquilo é de facto um pouço, onde o fundo não parece existir!
Este parece ser daqueles papéis em que a queda vai ser continuada durante vários, vários dias.
só não entendo ainda , por que razão a queda não é ainda mais abrupta!
Parabéns uma vez mais JCS.
Confesso que estava disposto a entrar no suporte teórico dos 2.50!
Agora restam poucas dúvidas que a queda até 1 Euro, não deverá levar uma semama!
Aquilo é de facto um pouço, onde o fundo não parece existir!
Este parece ser daqueles papéis em que a queda vai ser continuada durante vários, vários dias.
só não entendo ainda , por que razão a queda não é ainda mais abrupta!
Parabéns uma vez mais JCS.
Confesso que estava disposto a entrar no suporte teórico dos 2.50!
Agora restam poucas dúvidas que a queda até 1 Euro, não deverá levar uma semama!
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E já agora é de assinalar que em 1999 esta empresa valia mais de 70 dólares por acção.
Ou seja, perdeu 97% em apenas seis anos.
Aproveito para transcrever aqui uma curiosa passagem do Fernando Braga de Matos, no Ganhar em Bolsa:
"Quando a descida parece suster-se, surge o animador pensamento «já não pode descer mais». Mas pode descer sempre, até limites inimagináveis."
Saudações,
Elias
Ou seja, perdeu 97% em apenas seis anos.
Aproveito para transcrever aqui uma curiosa passagem do Fernando Braga de Matos, no Ganhar em Bolsa:
"Quando a descida parece suster-se, surge o animador pensamento «já não pode descer mais». Mas pode descer sempre, até limites inimagináveis."
Saudações,
Elias
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Para se ver o risco em comprar delta, se se tivesse "arriscado" no fundo a $2,50USD, estariamos agora a perder mais de 10% (num dia). Está já a $2.24USD e não parece querer parar por aqui...
Cumprimentos
JCS
Cumprimentos
JCS
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"Every trade is a test"
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"We can confidently predict yesterdays price. Everything else is unknown."
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Boa tarde!
engracado terem este post por aqui sobre a Delta Airlines.
O que sei sobre a empresa é que está na bancarrota e ninguem garante os voos nos proximos tempos.
Portanto... tenham muito cuidado. Talvez nao haja AT que preveja falencias.
engracado terem este post por aqui sobre a Delta Airlines.
O que sei sobre a empresa é que está na bancarrota e ninguem garante os voos nos proximos tempos.
Portanto... tenham muito cuidado. Talvez nao haja AT que preveja falencias.
Cumprimentos,
Alex Tomás
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Não me parece que haja algum organismo estatal como accionista da delta...
A empresa é representada por 143.888.479 acções que a valerem $2.53USD a avaliam em $364M USD. Prevê-se para o ano de 2005 um prejuizo total de $1.830M USD ($12.72 USD/acção). Haverão accionistas dispostos a injectar em capital cerca de 10 vezes o valor da companhia quando esta se encontra com balanços miseráveis?
Na minha opinião ou aparece alguma "Madre Teresa" com $ a mais ou parece-me que poderemos estar prestes a assistir a uma grande falência.
JCS
A empresa é representada por 143.888.479 acções que a valerem $2.53USD a avaliam em $364M USD. Prevê-se para o ano de 2005 um prejuizo total de $1.830M USD ($12.72 USD/acção). Haverão accionistas dispostos a injectar em capital cerca de 10 vezes o valor da companhia quando esta se encontra com balanços miseráveis?
Na minha opinião ou aparece alguma "Madre Teresa" com $ a mais ou parece-me que poderemos estar prestes a assistir a uma grande falência.
JCS
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Delta shares fall almost 15 pct on bankruptcy fear
Tue Aug 2, 2005 03:23 PM ET
NEW YORK, Aug 2 (Reuters) - Shares of Delta Air Lines (DAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) fell almost 15 percent on Tuesday, pressured by what analysts said was further concern about a possible bankruptcy for the company.
"Investors are focused on liquidity issues," S&P analyst Jim Corridore said.
"I think Delta will run into some serious liquidity issues in the fall. Unless it sells its regional airlines, it is going to have to file for bankruptcy," he said, referring to Comair and Atlanta Southeast Airlines, Delta's regional units.
Delta did not return a call seeking comment.
Delta shares, which have fallen almost 66 percent since the beginning of this year, were down 43 cents, or 14.48 percent, to $2.54 on Tuesday afternoon on the New York Stock Exchange.
Struggling with rising fuel costs and steep competition from low-cost carriers, the No. 3 U.S. airline earlier this year said it did not have enough cash to meet its liquidity needs through 2005.
Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein last week told employees in a memo that the airline's efforts to cut about $5 billion in costs were "not enough" to avoid a possible bankruptcy filing.
The memo came after Delta announced a $382 million loss for the second quarter.
The Atlanta-based carrier narrowly avoided bankruptcy late last year when it managed to shore up $1 billion in annual wage and benefit concessions, and $1.1 billion in financing from creditors General Electric Commercial Aviation Services (GE.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and American Express (AXP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) .
Corridore, who has a "sell" rating on the stock with a price target of $2, said the current stock price is not discounted for the airline's risk of bankruptcy.
Susan Donofrio, an airline analyst with Fulcrum Global Partners, said an article in the Washington Post on Tuesday citing the possibility of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines filing for bankruptcy in mid-September also affected the stock.
Northwest (NWAC.O: Quote, Profile, Research) shares were down 7 cents, or 1.43 percent, to $4.84 in afternoon trade on the Nasdaq.
The newspaper said the airlines would likely file for Chapter 11 protection before a more restrictive bankruptcy law goes into effect in October.
A need to bolster pension costs -- underfunded by $5.3 billion -- over the next three years has also worsened the carrier's cash problems. Delta faces about $3.1 billion in pension costs between 2006 and 2008.
Delta and Northwest have been lobbying for pension legislation that would allow them to spread out pension payments over 25 years.
"Even if pension legislation does come through in Delta's favor, it still won't be enough for the carrier to stay out of court," Corridore said. (Additional reporting by Christian Plumb)
Tue Aug 2, 2005 03:23 PM ET
NEW YORK, Aug 2 (Reuters) - Shares of Delta Air Lines (DAL.N: Quote, Profile, Research) fell almost 15 percent on Tuesday, pressured by what analysts said was further concern about a possible bankruptcy for the company.
"Investors are focused on liquidity issues," S&P analyst Jim Corridore said.
"I think Delta will run into some serious liquidity issues in the fall. Unless it sells its regional airlines, it is going to have to file for bankruptcy," he said, referring to Comair and Atlanta Southeast Airlines, Delta's regional units.
Delta did not return a call seeking comment.
Delta shares, which have fallen almost 66 percent since the beginning of this year, were down 43 cents, or 14.48 percent, to $2.54 on Tuesday afternoon on the New York Stock Exchange.
Struggling with rising fuel costs and steep competition from low-cost carriers, the No. 3 U.S. airline earlier this year said it did not have enough cash to meet its liquidity needs through 2005.
Chief Executive Gerald Grinstein last week told employees in a memo that the airline's efforts to cut about $5 billion in costs were "not enough" to avoid a possible bankruptcy filing.
The memo came after Delta announced a $382 million loss for the second quarter.
The Atlanta-based carrier narrowly avoided bankruptcy late last year when it managed to shore up $1 billion in annual wage and benefit concessions, and $1.1 billion in financing from creditors General Electric Commercial Aviation Services (GE.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and American Express (AXP.N: Quote, Profile, Research) .
Corridore, who has a "sell" rating on the stock with a price target of $2, said the current stock price is not discounted for the airline's risk of bankruptcy.
Susan Donofrio, an airline analyst with Fulcrum Global Partners, said an article in the Washington Post on Tuesday citing the possibility of Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines filing for bankruptcy in mid-September also affected the stock.
Northwest (NWAC.O: Quote, Profile, Research) shares were down 7 cents, or 1.43 percent, to $4.84 in afternoon trade on the Nasdaq.
The newspaper said the airlines would likely file for Chapter 11 protection before a more restrictive bankruptcy law goes into effect in October.
A need to bolster pension costs -- underfunded by $5.3 billion -- over the next three years has also worsened the carrier's cash problems. Delta faces about $3.1 billion in pension costs between 2006 and 2008.
Delta and Northwest have been lobbying for pension legislation that would allow them to spread out pension payments over 25 years.
"Even if pension legislation does come through in Delta's favor, it still won't be enough for the carrier to stay out of court," Corridore said. (Additional reporting by Christian Plumb)
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A empresa perderá dinheiro durante uns bons trimestres ainda...
Há muito a fazer nos custos. Mesmo tirando os $510M dos custos de restruturação (imaginando que esta terminava agora) os custos seriam superiores em $289M em relação ao mesmo periodo do ano (apesar do corte em $484M nos custos com pessoal) devido principalmente ao aumento em $695M dos custo com combustiveis
. Não se prevê que estes custos com combustiveis fiquem por aqui devido ao preço do petróleo. Por isso muito mais terá de ser cortado (despedimentos presumo eu) e os custos de restruturação continuarão lá durante uns bons tempos...
Como factor positivo realço o aumento das receitas em $342M.
No que diz respeito ao comportamento da acção, há que esperar que a cotação reflita o facto dos investidores saberem que nos próximos tempos (anos ?) continuarão a haver perdas e mais perdas. Aumentos de capital podem ser eminentes (e a noticia dá cabo da cotação).
Estará o preço justo? Quanto vale uma empresa que perde $5.40M por dia
Penso que haverão empresas em crescimento e lucrativas que são sem duvida alternativas. O risco na Delta é enorme...
Cumprimentos
JCS
Há muito a fazer nos custos. Mesmo tirando os $510M dos custos de restruturação (imaginando que esta terminava agora) os custos seriam superiores em $289M em relação ao mesmo periodo do ano (apesar do corte em $484M nos custos com pessoal) devido principalmente ao aumento em $695M dos custo com combustiveis
Como factor positivo realço o aumento das receitas em $342M.
No que diz respeito ao comportamento da acção, há que esperar que a cotação reflita o facto dos investidores saberem que nos próximos tempos (anos ?) continuarão a haver perdas e mais perdas. Aumentos de capital podem ser eminentes (e a noticia dá cabo da cotação).
Estará o preço justo? Quanto vale uma empresa que perde $5.40M por dia
Penso que haverão empresas em crescimento e lucrativas que são sem duvida alternativas. O risco na Delta é enorme...
Cumprimentos
JCS
---Tudo o que for por mim escrito expressa apenas a minha opinião pessoal e não é uma recomendação de investimento de qualquer tipo---
https://twitter.com/JCSTrendTrading
"We can confidently predict yesterdays price. Everything else is unknown."
"Every trade is a test"
"Price is the aggregation of everyone's expectations"
"I don't define a good trade as a trade that makes money. I define a good trade as a trade where I did the right thing". (Trend Follower Kevin Bruce, $5000 to $100.000.000 in 25 years).
https://twitter.com/JCSTrendTrading
"We can confidently predict yesterdays price. Everything else is unknown."
"Every trade is a test"
"Price is the aggregation of everyone's expectations"
"I don't define a good trade as a trade that makes money. I define a good trade as a trade where I did the right thing". (Trend Follower Kevin Bruce, $5000 to $100.000.000 in 25 years).
Parece-me haver bastante a fazer ainda. A hemorragia é assustadora: a empresa desde o inicio de 2005 até 30 de junho já perdeu 988 milhões de USD
Quanto aos custos vê-se que os custos com pessoal diminuiram em $484 Milhões em relação a 2004 (devido a despedimentos presumo) obrigando a um aumento em $52 milhões dos serviços contratados. Os custos com pensões e acordos aumentaram bastante (em $510 M) sendo natural uma vez que existem custo com rescisões, etc...
Está muito assustadora esta Delta... (lembra empresas a um passo das falências...)
Quanto aos custos vê-se que os custos com pessoal diminuiram em $484 Milhões em relação a 2004 (devido a despedimentos presumo) obrigando a um aumento em $52 milhões dos serviços contratados. Os custos com pensões e acordos aumentaram bastante (em $510 M) sendo natural uma vez que existem custo com rescisões, etc...
Está muito assustadora esta Delta... (lembra empresas a um passo das falências...)
---Tudo o que for por mim escrito expressa apenas a minha opinião pessoal e não é uma recomendação de investimento de qualquer tipo---
https://twitter.com/JCSTrendTrading
"We can confidently predict yesterdays price. Everything else is unknown."
"Every trade is a test"
"Price is the aggregation of everyone's expectations"
"I don't define a good trade as a trade that makes money. I define a good trade as a trade where I did the right thing". (Trend Follower Kevin Bruce, $5000 to $100.000.000 in 25 years).
https://twitter.com/JCSTrendTrading
"We can confidently predict yesterdays price. Everything else is unknown."
"Every trade is a test"
"Price is the aggregation of everyone's expectations"
"I don't define a good trade as a trade that makes money. I define a good trade as a trade where I did the right thing". (Trend Follower Kevin Bruce, $5000 to $100.000.000 in 25 years).
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