Comprar Ouro
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tenho a sensação de que o ouro vai fazer uma C&H.
Depois de ter rebentado um triangulo descendente para NORTE, com um target bem acima dos máximos de Agosto de 2011, Acredito que esteja neste momento a preparar a ultima investida para rebentar com a resistência dos 1800.
Fica a ideia.
Nota: estou longo neste ativo.
Depois de ter rebentado um triangulo descendente para NORTE, com um target bem acima dos máximos de Agosto de 2011, Acredito que esteja neste momento a preparar a ultima investida para rebentar com a resistência dos 1800.
Fica a ideia.
Nota: estou longo neste ativo.
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Figueiraa1 Escreveu:zecatreca Escreveu:Figueiraa1 Escreveu:zecatreca Escreveu:Qual é o suporte que falas?AmigosdaBolsa Escreveu:Entrei curto ontem à noite. Stop apertado, julgo que vai fazer um reteste ao suporte pois não está a conseguir quebrar a resistência.
Zeca
Boa tarde,
A ver se aprendi.
O suporte andará pelos 1540?
Abraço
Ohhh Figueiras....nos 1540???? uiiii
No semanal o ouro andou a fazer um triangulo descendente que rebentou para cima. O target são os 2000. Porém temos uma resistencia a 1780´s e deve haver um pullback ate aos 1740 pelo menos. Só isso. 40dolares apenas que quero vs 8dolares se correr mal.
Sei que estás longo e desejo-te sorte.
Confirma então:
Resistência 1780
Suporte 1540?
Abraço
Figueiraa.
Ve a pagina anterior sff! Estou curto a 1780, stop a 1789 e target 1740.
Esse suporte dos 1540 está muito lá em baixo!
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zecatreca Escreveu:Figueiraa1 Escreveu:zecatreca Escreveu:Qual é o suporte que falas?AmigosdaBolsa Escreveu:Entrei curto ontem à noite. Stop apertado, julgo que vai fazer um reteste ao suporte pois não está a conseguir quebrar a resistência.
Zeca
Boa tarde,
A ver se aprendi.
O suporte andará pelos 1540?
Abraço
Ohhh Figueiras....nos 1540???? uiiii
No semanal o ouro andou a fazer um triangulo descendente que rebentou para cima. O target são os 2000. Porém temos uma resistencia a 1780´s e deve haver um pullback ate aos 1740 pelo menos. Só isso. 40dolares apenas que quero vs 8dolares se correr mal.
Sei que estás longo e desejo-te sorte.
Confirma então:
Resistência 1780
Suporte 1540?
Abraço
A Woman is the most valuable asset a man will ever own, it's only a shame that some of us only realise that when she is gone..
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Figueiraa1 Escreveu:zecatreca Escreveu:Qual é o suporte que falas?AmigosdaBolsa Escreveu:Entrei curto ontem à noite. Stop apertado, julgo que vai fazer um reteste ao suporte pois não está a conseguir quebrar a resistência.
Zeca
Boa tarde,
A ver se aprendi.
O suporte andará pelos 1540?
Abraço
Ohhh Figueiras....nos 1540???? uiiii
No semanal o ouro andou a fazer um triangulo descendente que rebentou para cima. O target são os 2000. Porém temos uma resistencia a 1780´s e deve haver um pullback ate aos 1740 pelo menos. Só isso. 40dolares apenas que quero vs 8dolares se correr mal.
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zecatreca Escreveu:Qual é o suporte que falas?AmigosdaBolsa Escreveu:Entrei curto ontem à noite. Stop apertado, julgo que vai fazer um reteste ao suporte pois não está a conseguir quebrar a resistência.
Zeca
Boa tarde,
A ver se aprendi.
O suporte andará pelos 1540?
Abraço
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Why Warren Buffett don't buy gold?
Yesterday I noted the comment of Charlie Munger, Vice-Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway [BRK.A BRK.B] comment that “civilized people don’t buy gold”. They are not simply involved in a zero-sum game in which the goal is to outsmart the computer system in the trading markets. They invest in productive businesses that add value to society.
Warren Buffett, Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, expressed similar reservations about gold as an investment on Monday on CNBC’s Squawkbox:
“When we took over Berkshire, it was selling at $15 a share and gold was selling at $20 an ounce. Gold is now $1600 and Berkshire is $120,000. Or you can take a broader example. If you buy an ounce of gold today and you hold it at hundred years, you can go to it every day and you could coo to it and fondle it and a hundred years from now, you’ll have one ounce of gold and it won’t have done anything for you in between. You buy 100 acres of farm land and it will produce for you every year. You can buy more farmland, and all kinds of things, and you still have 100 acres of farmland at the end of 100 years. You could you buy the Dow Jones Industrial Average for 66 at the start of 1900. Gold was then $20. At the end of the century, it was 11,400, and you would also have gotten dividends for a hundred years. So a decent productive asset will kill an unproductive asset.
“Why do you think gold bugs get so irate? Because they really do come out. If you go on CNBC and say that bonds are kind of a poor investment, people don’t get mad at you. You don’t hear from the Treasury. You can knock almost any investment and nothing happens. But when you talk about gold it’s different. Of course that says something about their motivation for ownership. They want people to agree with them. They want everybody to get so scared they run to a cave with gold. Caves might be a better investment than gold. At least they’re not producing more caves all the time. So they want people to be as afraid as they are. Incidentally, they’re right to be afraid of paper money. Their basic premise that paper money around the world is going to be worth less and less over time is absolutely correct. They have the correct basic premise. They should run from paper money. But where they run to is the mistake.”
What the numbers show
If you just look at the numbers comparing gold and Berkshire Hathaway, the outcome depends on the period you choose. If you look at the entire life of Buffett’s ownership of Berkshire Hathaway, it was, as Buffett says, much more profitable to invest in Berkshire.
The same is true if you take a 20 year perspective: gold has increased 376 percent as compared to Berkshire’s 1330 percent.
However if you look at the ten year time period, the opposite is true: Berkshire increased 62 percent whereas gold has increased 416 percent in that period.
The averages however conceal valleys and mountains. If you invested in gold at a time of economic anxiety around 1980 when it peaked at about $800 per ounce, you would have suffered a quarter century of losses, before the anxiety caused by the financial meltdown of 2007-2008 once again fueled the rise in gold price. The shape of the gold price curve of from 2006 to today today looks ominously like the shape of the curve from 1972 to 1980. Unless more investors can be frightened into investing more in gold, its price may have peaked and we are looking at another long period of decline in the gold price.
Beyond the numbers
Warren Buffett is not in the business of such financial speculation and, like Charlie Munger, looks critically at a society that is so oriented. He would no doubt agree with Susan Sontag that people focused on making money through financial speculation reflect “lapses of judgment [that] indicate a radical failure of an entire sensibility.”
Berkshire is not simply about making money, but about creating about productive businesses that add value to society. Under the guidance of Warren Buffett, Berkshire has been remarkably successful in doing so and, in the process. making a great deal of money. In some ways, Berkshire can be seen as a precursor to the Creative Economy.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedennin ... t-in-gold/
Warren Buffett, Chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, expressed similar reservations about gold as an investment on Monday on CNBC’s Squawkbox:
“When we took over Berkshire, it was selling at $15 a share and gold was selling at $20 an ounce. Gold is now $1600 and Berkshire is $120,000. Or you can take a broader example. If you buy an ounce of gold today and you hold it at hundred years, you can go to it every day and you could coo to it and fondle it and a hundred years from now, you’ll have one ounce of gold and it won’t have done anything for you in between. You buy 100 acres of farm land and it will produce for you every year. You can buy more farmland, and all kinds of things, and you still have 100 acres of farmland at the end of 100 years. You could you buy the Dow Jones Industrial Average for 66 at the start of 1900. Gold was then $20. At the end of the century, it was 11,400, and you would also have gotten dividends for a hundred years. So a decent productive asset will kill an unproductive asset.
“Why do you think gold bugs get so irate? Because they really do come out. If you go on CNBC and say that bonds are kind of a poor investment, people don’t get mad at you. You don’t hear from the Treasury. You can knock almost any investment and nothing happens. But when you talk about gold it’s different. Of course that says something about their motivation for ownership. They want people to agree with them. They want everybody to get so scared they run to a cave with gold. Caves might be a better investment than gold. At least they’re not producing more caves all the time. So they want people to be as afraid as they are. Incidentally, they’re right to be afraid of paper money. Their basic premise that paper money around the world is going to be worth less and less over time is absolutely correct. They have the correct basic premise. They should run from paper money. But where they run to is the mistake.”
What the numbers show
If you just look at the numbers comparing gold and Berkshire Hathaway, the outcome depends on the period you choose. If you look at the entire life of Buffett’s ownership of Berkshire Hathaway, it was, as Buffett says, much more profitable to invest in Berkshire.
The same is true if you take a 20 year perspective: gold has increased 376 percent as compared to Berkshire’s 1330 percent.
However if you look at the ten year time period, the opposite is true: Berkshire increased 62 percent whereas gold has increased 416 percent in that period.
The averages however conceal valleys and mountains. If you invested in gold at a time of economic anxiety around 1980 when it peaked at about $800 per ounce, you would have suffered a quarter century of losses, before the anxiety caused by the financial meltdown of 2007-2008 once again fueled the rise in gold price. The shape of the gold price curve of from 2006 to today today looks ominously like the shape of the curve from 1972 to 1980. Unless more investors can be frightened into investing more in gold, its price may have peaked and we are looking at another long period of decline in the gold price.
Beyond the numbers
Warren Buffett is not in the business of such financial speculation and, like Charlie Munger, looks critically at a society that is so oriented. He would no doubt agree with Susan Sontag that people focused on making money through financial speculation reflect “lapses of judgment [that] indicate a radical failure of an entire sensibility.”
Berkshire is not simply about making money, but about creating about productive businesses that add value to society. Under the guidance of Warren Buffett, Berkshire has been remarkably successful in doing so and, in the process. making a great deal of money. In some ways, Berkshire can be seen as a precursor to the Creative Economy.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedennin ... t-in-gold/
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Mesmo que comece a haver inflação na Europa e USD o Ouro já teve 11 anos em Bull Market e nunca reza a história que assim fosse.
Um Bull Market de 11 anos sem respirar.
No periodo de 1979-1984 quando a taxa inflação veio dos 10% para 4% o ouro teve depois um periodo de pouca volatidade e nenhuma progressão.
No actual periodo a inflação está a ser reduzida de 4,6% para 2% ou menos na Zona Euro.
Desde o Verão de 2007 (inicio da crise e bear market) o ouro estava 650usd Já valorizou mais de 170%
Em 1984 o ouro estava já a encaminhar-se para fazer novo minimo e ele apareceu em 1985 nos 280usd quando terminou o processo de ajustamento e as bolsas já iam com uma boa valorização.
O periodo seguinte foi de acalmia no ouro porque este, durante o processo de ajustamento, já tinha apreciado o suficiente.
Um Bull Market de 11 anos sem respirar.
No periodo de 1979-1984 quando a taxa inflação veio dos 10% para 4% o ouro teve depois um periodo de pouca volatidade e nenhuma progressão.
No actual periodo a inflação está a ser reduzida de 4,6% para 2% ou menos na Zona Euro.
Desde o Verão de 2007 (inicio da crise e bear market) o ouro estava 650usd Já valorizou mais de 170%
Em 1984 o ouro estava já a encaminhar-se para fazer novo minimo e ele apareceu em 1985 nos 280usd quando terminou o processo de ajustamento e as bolsas já iam com uma boa valorização.
O periodo seguinte foi de acalmia no ouro porque este, durante o processo de ajustamento, já tinha apreciado o suficiente.
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É provavel que o Ouro tenha as pernas cortadas com o Q3 porque a compra de obrigações sem limite por parte dos bancos centrais irá provocar uma queda em massa da Yieds do mercado secundário (desde que os países à rasca mantenham reformas) e assim o investimento em obrigações torna-se nada rentável.
O Ouro a estes valores já está em parte a antecipar os próximos anos de inflação. O dinheiro dos privados volta progressivamente à economia e às acções, mesmo com o dólar a valorizar e aliado a ele o petróleo.
Empresas como esta Colt Resorces que agora vos apresento pode não ter um futuro muito promissor. Apesar de laborar cá em Portugal, em parte do ouro de Monte-Mor-Novo.
O Ouro a estes valores já está em parte a antecipar os próximos anos de inflação. O dinheiro dos privados volta progressivamente à economia e às acções, mesmo com o dólar a valorizar e aliado a ele o petróleo.
Empresas como esta Colt Resorces que agora vos apresento pode não ter um futuro muito promissor. Apesar de laborar cá em Portugal, em parte do ouro de Monte-Mor-Novo.
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sqezer Escreveu:Gostava de saber a vossa opinião relativamente a que reacção podemos esperar face às noticias de amanhã.
Caso exista QE é de esperar que o ouro valorize?
Aproveito para perguntar, a que horas fala o presidente da FED?
Disclaimer, estou curto.
Caso exista QE3, é bastante possivel que o ouro suba, caso contrário teremos uma queda.
Também não espero o anúncio do QE amanhã, vai ser um dia de elevada volatibilidade...
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sqezer Escreveu:Gostava de saber a vossa opinião relativamente a que reacção podemos esperar face às noticias de amanhã.
Caso exista QE é de esperar que o ouro valorize?
Aproveito para perguntar, a que horas fala o presidente da FED?
Disclaimer, estou curto.
Fala às 15 horas (hora de Lisboa).
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Gold Runs Out In Lisbon As Price Drop Compounds Money Misery
By Henrique Almeida - Aug 16, 2012 9:05 AM GMT
Paulo Oliveira and his wife sold their wedding rings to pay the rent after he lost his job as a builder last month. They were the couple’s last pieces of jewelry.
“We have no more gold to save us from being kicked out this month,” the 46-year-old said as he stood in the area of downtown Lisbon popular with cash-for-gold stores. “Everyone I know is struggling, even the gold stores are empty because nobody has any more gold left to sell.”
Oliveira encapsulates a growing trend in debt crisis- stricken Europe as household gold supplies dry up after record prices and a deepening recession prompted a proliferation of places to exchange the metal for money.
In Portugal, the historical home of some of Europe’s biggest gold reserves, the number of jewelry stores, which include cash-for-gold shops, increased 29 percent in 2011 from a year earlier, a study commissioned by parliament found. In the first quarter, an average of two new stores opened every day, the report said. Now some of them are closing.
“Business has gone from great to terrible in a matter of months,” Luis Almeida, whose family has owned a gold store near Lisbon’s Rossio Square for more than 40 years, said in an interview. “The sad truth is that most of my clients have already sold all of their gold rings.”
Market Slump
Recycled gold supplies, which are derived in part from melted jewelry, fell 7.7 percent to 363.7 tons in the three months through June from the previous quarter, according to the World Gold Council. Global demand for gold dropped 7.1 percent in the second quarter to 990 metric tons from a year earlier, the London-based industry group said today in a report.
Gold for immediate delivery jumped 10 percent in London in 2011, reaching a record of $1,921.15 an ounce on Sept. 6. Since then, the price has fallen 17 percent and traded at $1,602.91 at 8:24 a.m. in London.
The market swing coincided with Portugal raising taxes and cutting spending to meet terms of the 78 billion-euro ($96.2 billion) 2011 bailout package from the International Monetary Fund and its European partners. Portugal was the third country to seek aid, following Greece and Ireland in 2010.
“That’s when I started selling all the gold I had,” said Oliveira, who made 800 euros a month working as a bricklayer for construction companies such as Mota-Engil SGPS SA (EGL) and Soares da Costa SGPS SA before being laid off in July.
Gold Exports
Portugal’s gold exports increased by more than five times to 519.4 million euros last year from 102.1 million euros in 2009, according to data published on the Lisbon-based National Statistics Institute’s website.
Oliveira said he now makes as little as 15 euros a day polishing shoes on a wooden stool in Lisbon’s central Barros Queiroz street, where gold traders complain competition is eating profit.
“It’s like seven dogs for one bone,” said Alcina Bernardo, who owns a gold shop 500 meters away in the Rua do Ouro street, once a center for goldsmiths working with metal brought back from Brazil in the 18th and 19th centuries.
As a country, Portugal traditionally has guarded that gold. The central bank holds more gold relative to the size of the country’s economy than any euro country, mostly accumulated during former dictator Antonio de Oliveira Salazar’s 36 years in power, based on data compiled by the World Gold Council.
The law prevents proceeds from selling any gold reserves from going toward the government’s budget.
Already Melted
While central banks bought 157.5 tons in the second quarter, compared with 66.2 tons a year earlier, jewelry use slipped 14 percent to 418.3 tons, the council said. Jewelry demand from India, 2011’s biggest buyer, plunged 30 percent to 124.8 tons, accounting for 30 percent of the global total.
“The loose scrap in the market has already been melted,” said Nikos Kavalis, an analyst at the Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc in London who forecasts gold prices will fall to $1,250 an ounce by 2015.“People are also less willing to sell their jewelry amid lower gold prices.”
With the Portuguese unemployment rate at a euro-era record of 15 percent in the second quarter, Oliveira is now wondering who will help bail him out now that his job and gold are gone.
The government forecasts unemployment will increase to 15.5 percent for all of 2012 and to 15.9 percent next year. An average of 86 people a day sought help for indebtedness during the first half of the year, the Portuguese Association for Consumer Protection said in a report published in July.
“It’s okay for the gold shops around me to go broke, they’ve already made their profit,” Oliveira said. “What I would like to know is who will help me and my wife when we get evicted?”
To contact the reporter on this story: Henrique Almeida in Lisbon at halmeida5@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Jerrold Colten at jcolten@bloomberg.net
By Henrique Almeida - Aug 16, 2012 9:05 AM GMT
Paulo Oliveira and his wife sold their wedding rings to pay the rent after he lost his job as a builder last month. They were the couple’s last pieces of jewelry.
“We have no more gold to save us from being kicked out this month,” the 46-year-old said as he stood in the area of downtown Lisbon popular with cash-for-gold stores. “Everyone I know is struggling, even the gold stores are empty because nobody has any more gold left to sell.”
Oliveira encapsulates a growing trend in debt crisis- stricken Europe as household gold supplies dry up after record prices and a deepening recession prompted a proliferation of places to exchange the metal for money.
In Portugal, the historical home of some of Europe’s biggest gold reserves, the number of jewelry stores, which include cash-for-gold shops, increased 29 percent in 2011 from a year earlier, a study commissioned by parliament found. In the first quarter, an average of two new stores opened every day, the report said. Now some of them are closing.
“Business has gone from great to terrible in a matter of months,” Luis Almeida, whose family has owned a gold store near Lisbon’s Rossio Square for more than 40 years, said in an interview. “The sad truth is that most of my clients have already sold all of their gold rings.”
Market Slump
Recycled gold supplies, which are derived in part from melted jewelry, fell 7.7 percent to 363.7 tons in the three months through June from the previous quarter, according to the World Gold Council. Global demand for gold dropped 7.1 percent in the second quarter to 990 metric tons from a year earlier, the London-based industry group said today in a report.
Gold for immediate delivery jumped 10 percent in London in 2011, reaching a record of $1,921.15 an ounce on Sept. 6. Since then, the price has fallen 17 percent and traded at $1,602.91 at 8:24 a.m. in London.
The market swing coincided with Portugal raising taxes and cutting spending to meet terms of the 78 billion-euro ($96.2 billion) 2011 bailout package from the International Monetary Fund and its European partners. Portugal was the third country to seek aid, following Greece and Ireland in 2010.
“That’s when I started selling all the gold I had,” said Oliveira, who made 800 euros a month working as a bricklayer for construction companies such as Mota-Engil SGPS SA (EGL) and Soares da Costa SGPS SA before being laid off in July.
Gold Exports
Portugal’s gold exports increased by more than five times to 519.4 million euros last year from 102.1 million euros in 2009, according to data published on the Lisbon-based National Statistics Institute’s website.
Oliveira said he now makes as little as 15 euros a day polishing shoes on a wooden stool in Lisbon’s central Barros Queiroz street, where gold traders complain competition is eating profit.
“It’s like seven dogs for one bone,” said Alcina Bernardo, who owns a gold shop 500 meters away in the Rua do Ouro street, once a center for goldsmiths working with metal brought back from Brazil in the 18th and 19th centuries.
As a country, Portugal traditionally has guarded that gold. The central bank holds more gold relative to the size of the country’s economy than any euro country, mostly accumulated during former dictator Antonio de Oliveira Salazar’s 36 years in power, based on data compiled by the World Gold Council.
The law prevents proceeds from selling any gold reserves from going toward the government’s budget.
Already Melted
While central banks bought 157.5 tons in the second quarter, compared with 66.2 tons a year earlier, jewelry use slipped 14 percent to 418.3 tons, the council said. Jewelry demand from India, 2011’s biggest buyer, plunged 30 percent to 124.8 tons, accounting for 30 percent of the global total.
“The loose scrap in the market has already been melted,” said Nikos Kavalis, an analyst at the Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc in London who forecasts gold prices will fall to $1,250 an ounce by 2015.“People are also less willing to sell their jewelry amid lower gold prices.”
With the Portuguese unemployment rate at a euro-era record of 15 percent in the second quarter, Oliveira is now wondering who will help bail him out now that his job and gold are gone.
The government forecasts unemployment will increase to 15.5 percent for all of 2012 and to 15.9 percent next year. An average of 86 people a day sought help for indebtedness during the first half of the year, the Portuguese Association for Consumer Protection said in a report published in July.
“It’s okay for the gold shops around me to go broke, they’ve already made their profit,” Oliveira said. “What I would like to know is who will help me and my wife when we get evicted?”
To contact the reporter on this story: Henrique Almeida in Lisbon at halmeida5@bloomberg.net
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Jerrold Colten at jcolten@bloomberg.net
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QuantMath Escreveu:EuroVerde Escreveu:QuantMath Escreveu:Mercado a subir e Dolar a subir? hum...
Mas qual é o problema uhm?
desde 2000 quantas alturas tivemos com o mercado a subir e dolar a subir?
Tiveste um pequeno periodo de 2004, 2005 todo, tiveste o primeiro semestre de 2010, e desde Agosto2011 até agora.
Penso que é válido o seguinte a Europa é insustentavel com o euro acima de 1,42 e abaixo de 1 no par.
A crise começou quando o eur/usd galgou 1,42 para patamares que estrangularam e provocaram efeitos nocivos na Europa. E abaixo de 1 devido aos efeitos de inflação.
A longo prazo fico feliz se o eur/usd se aproximar de 1, mas fico com um pé atrás caso não encontre suporte em 1, ou caso suba para lá dos 1,42.
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