Momento de decisão
Bem, eu sei que não se deve fazer isto aqui no fórum do Caldeirão, mas, não resisto e vou lançar uma ideia e uma data de pura especulação. Para deitar fogo aos ânimos. LOL
A próxima Terça-feira dia 13 de Novembro é o dia do juízo final. Não acredito num crash de proporções inimagináveis ou gigantesca, mas, acredito que vai haver uma correção fortíssima. Possivelmente começará mesmo na segunda, continuará na terça e prolongar-se-á até quarta-feira. È o que eu penso.
A próxima Terça-feira dia 13 de Novembro é o dia do juízo final. Não acredito num crash de proporções inimagináveis ou gigantesca, mas, acredito que vai haver uma correção fortíssima. Possivelmente começará mesmo na segunda, continuará na terça e prolongar-se-á até quarta-feira. È o que eu penso.
"Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside themselves was superior to circumstance."
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Olá a todos
O SP500 continua com o seu comportamento típico dos últimos meses (desde finais de junho).... tipo adolescente bêbado com um carro na mão
ninguém sabe o que raio vai acontecer ....
Fora de brincadeiras ...
Depois de ver "ao vivo" o final da sessão de ontem fiquei com a impressão de que mais uma vez houve suporte de mãos "fortes" para que o índice não se partisse todo. (pode também ter sido um short squeeze)
Assim sendo podemos ir fazer um teste ao anterior suporte que agora vai funcionar como resistência, antes de haver mais pressão vendedora.
Qual a vossa opinião?
Um abraço a todos e BN
O boneco abaixo é sobre o ESz7

O SP500 continua com o seu comportamento típico dos últimos meses (desde finais de junho).... tipo adolescente bêbado com um carro na mão

Fora de brincadeiras ...
Depois de ver "ao vivo" o final da sessão de ontem fiquei com a impressão de que mais uma vez houve suporte de mãos "fortes" para que o índice não se partisse todo. (pode também ter sido um short squeeze)
Assim sendo podemos ir fazer um teste ao anterior suporte que agora vai funcionar como resistência, antes de haver mais pressão vendedora.
Qual a vossa opinião?
Um abraço a todos e BN

O boneco abaixo é sobre o ESz7
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"A grandeza de um homem não está em nunca cair, mas sim em levantar-se sempre após todas as quedas." --- Confucius
"Pague a bondade com bondade, mas o mal com a justiça" --- Confucius
"Experiência e humildade são excelentes veículos para percorrer a via em direcção ao sucesso" --- Thunder o filósofo de meia-tigela
"Pague a bondade com bondade, mas o mal com a justiça" --- Confucius
"Experiência e humildade são excelentes veículos para percorrer a via em direcção ao sucesso" --- Thunder o filósofo de meia-tigela
O amigo Bernanke falou... e os States lá voltaram a tremer: desta vez o Nasdaq lidera o sell-off, dada a resistência em 4-5 títulos que teem estado a liderar/segurar o indice... Os mercados neste momento são como uma montanha russa que não dá sinais de querer parar !
Até amanhã a todos.
"Bernanke Says Fed Sees Slower Growth, Inflation Risk (Update4)
By Craig Torres and Scott Lanman
Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said the U.S. economy is likely to ``slow noticeably'' this quarter while high commodity prices and a weaker dollar may stoke inflation ``for a time.''
Bernanke said the Federal Open Market Committee, which sets the benchmark U.S. interest rate, saw risks to both growth and prices at its Oct. 31 meeting, when officials reduced the rate by a quarter-point to 4.5 percent. He added the Fed ``will be very dependent on the data'' and ``will respond as needed'' to keep growth and inflation stable.
``The committee expected that the growth of economic activity would slow noticeably in the fourth quarter,'' Bernanke said in testimony to the congressional Joint Economic Committee. While the FOMC anticipated growth to improve later next year, ``the committee also saw downside risks to this projection'' if the housing slump spilled into spending, he said.
The 53-year-old Fed chief is fighting on several fronts to maintain stable markets, keep the six-year economic expansion going and contain inflation expectations. Officials cut interest rates twice in the past two months, while signaling in the Oct. 31 statement they are reluctant to lower borrowing costs further.
``The Federal Reserve is stuck,'' said Allen Sinai, president of Decision Economics Inc. in New York. ``If the inflation risk wasn't there, then the prospects for the economy suggest much lower interest rates.''
Markets React
The dollar fell even after Bernanke's counterpart, European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet, said that ``brutal'' currency moves are never welcome. The dollar has fallen more than 4 percent against the currency shared by 13 European Union members in the past month, spurring U.S. export competitiveness while adding to price pressures.
The inflation outlook was ``subject to important upside risks'' from prices of crude oil and other commodities and the weaker dollar, Bernanke said. ``These factors were likely to increase overall inflation in the short run and, should inflation expectations become unmoored, had the potential to boost inflation in the longer run as well.''
First Since July
Bernanke's first full hearing on the economic outlook since July was marked by increased concern from lawmakers about the economy and criticism of the Fed's approach to the collapse in subprime mortgages, even as legislators praised the central bank for cutting interest rates.
Senator Charles Schumer, the New York Democrat who chairs the panel, criticized the Fed for not ``acting quickly or boldly enough'' to handle the risks in the housing and credit markets. Representative Jim Saxton of New Jersey, the committee's ranking Republican, noted that there are ``troubling indicators'' of economic performance as well as positive ones.
Mortgage defaults and delinquencies, which officials expect to worsen, continue to roil financial markets, causing investors to retreat from risk. Banks have tightened lending standards, which may pose a threat to spending.
`Resilient' Economy
Recent economic reports ``suggest the overall economy remained resilient in recent months,'' Bernanke said. ``However, financial market volatility and strains have persisted.''
Household spending is likely to grow more slowly as tighter credit, weaker home prices, and higher energy prices damp sentiment, he said.
``Most businesses appeared to enjoy relatively good access to credit, but heightened uncertainty about economic prospects could lead business spending to decelerate as well,'' he said.
While central bankers including Fed Governor Kevin Warsh and Philadelphia Fed President Charles Plosser reinforced the message this week that policy makers aren't yet prepared to cut rates further, traders have a different view. Federal funds futures contracts show a 68 percent probability that the rate will fall another quarter-point to 4.25 percent next month.
The FOMC cut the benchmark lending rate 0.75 percentage point to 4.5 percent in two meetings over the past eight weeks, the most aggressive easing since the economy was emerging from its last recession in 2001.
Cushion the Economy
Fed officials are trying to cushion the economy from eroding housing markets, without pushing interest rates to a level that would reignite inflation. Financial markets reflect both growth and inflation concerns.
Gold, a traditional hedge against rising consumer prices, rose to the highest level since 1980 yesterday. Crude oil prices posted record highs in New York trading this week. The dollar fell to an all-time low against the euro yesterday.
Wall Street firms have already written down billions of dollars of mortgage-related assets. Credit-risk measures continue to widen as analysts forecast more banks will write off nonperforming loans and debt backed by home loans to borrowers with low credit scores. Subprime loan delinquencies rose to 15 percent in the second quarter.
Bernanke suggested he is monitoring the risk that rising home foreclosures will slow economic growth as almost 450,000 subprime mortgages per quarter see higher interest rates through the end of next year.
``A sharp increase in foreclosed properties for sale could also weaken the already struggling housing market and thus, potentially, the broader economy,'' Bernanke said.
Growth Picture
The economy shook off the housing slump and accelerated to an annual pace of 3.9 percent in the third quarter, the fastest in more than a year. Payrolls rose by 166,000 jobs in October and 96,000 in September. Still, Fed officials said in their statement that ``the pace of economic expansion will likely slow'' as the housing downturn deepens.
In speeches and interviews this week, Fed officials said they expect the economy to expand about 2 percent or less in the fourth quarter. Plosser told the New York Times this week that growth would have to drop below 1 percent to 1.5 percent to justify supporting another rate cut.
The central bank's preferred inflation benchmark, the personal consumption expenditures price index, minus food and energy, rose at an annual rate of less than 2 percent every month since June.
Home Prices
Sales of previously owned homes fell in September to the lowest level since National Association of Realtors began keeping records in 1999. Median prices fell 4.2 percent from the same month a year earlier. The number of homes for sale at month end rose to 4.4 million, representing a record 10.5 months' supply.
The Fed chief said the central bank doesn't take ``an alarmist'' view of the impact that lower property values may have on consumer spending.
Bernanke told lawmakers the Fed is ``on schedule'' to deliver tighter restrictions on mortgage lending practices by year-end. Fed officials are looking at four areas: low documentation loans, the exclusion of taxes and insurance from subprime loan payments, prepayment penalties, and standards to judge a loan's affordability."
Até amanhã a todos.
"Bernanke Says Fed Sees Slower Growth, Inflation Risk (Update4)
By Craig Torres and Scott Lanman
Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said the U.S. economy is likely to ``slow noticeably'' this quarter while high commodity prices and a weaker dollar may stoke inflation ``for a time.''
Bernanke said the Federal Open Market Committee, which sets the benchmark U.S. interest rate, saw risks to both growth and prices at its Oct. 31 meeting, when officials reduced the rate by a quarter-point to 4.5 percent. He added the Fed ``will be very dependent on the data'' and ``will respond as needed'' to keep growth and inflation stable.
``The committee expected that the growth of economic activity would slow noticeably in the fourth quarter,'' Bernanke said in testimony to the congressional Joint Economic Committee. While the FOMC anticipated growth to improve later next year, ``the committee also saw downside risks to this projection'' if the housing slump spilled into spending, he said.
The 53-year-old Fed chief is fighting on several fronts to maintain stable markets, keep the six-year economic expansion going and contain inflation expectations. Officials cut interest rates twice in the past two months, while signaling in the Oct. 31 statement they are reluctant to lower borrowing costs further.
``The Federal Reserve is stuck,'' said Allen Sinai, president of Decision Economics Inc. in New York. ``If the inflation risk wasn't there, then the prospects for the economy suggest much lower interest rates.''
Markets React
The dollar fell even after Bernanke's counterpart, European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet, said that ``brutal'' currency moves are never welcome. The dollar has fallen more than 4 percent against the currency shared by 13 European Union members in the past month, spurring U.S. export competitiveness while adding to price pressures.
The inflation outlook was ``subject to important upside risks'' from prices of crude oil and other commodities and the weaker dollar, Bernanke said. ``These factors were likely to increase overall inflation in the short run and, should inflation expectations become unmoored, had the potential to boost inflation in the longer run as well.''
First Since July
Bernanke's first full hearing on the economic outlook since July was marked by increased concern from lawmakers about the economy and criticism of the Fed's approach to the collapse in subprime mortgages, even as legislators praised the central bank for cutting interest rates.
Senator Charles Schumer, the New York Democrat who chairs the panel, criticized the Fed for not ``acting quickly or boldly enough'' to handle the risks in the housing and credit markets. Representative Jim Saxton of New Jersey, the committee's ranking Republican, noted that there are ``troubling indicators'' of economic performance as well as positive ones.
Mortgage defaults and delinquencies, which officials expect to worsen, continue to roil financial markets, causing investors to retreat from risk. Banks have tightened lending standards, which may pose a threat to spending.
`Resilient' Economy
Recent economic reports ``suggest the overall economy remained resilient in recent months,'' Bernanke said. ``However, financial market volatility and strains have persisted.''
Household spending is likely to grow more slowly as tighter credit, weaker home prices, and higher energy prices damp sentiment, he said.
``Most businesses appeared to enjoy relatively good access to credit, but heightened uncertainty about economic prospects could lead business spending to decelerate as well,'' he said.
While central bankers including Fed Governor Kevin Warsh and Philadelphia Fed President Charles Plosser reinforced the message this week that policy makers aren't yet prepared to cut rates further, traders have a different view. Federal funds futures contracts show a 68 percent probability that the rate will fall another quarter-point to 4.25 percent next month.
The FOMC cut the benchmark lending rate 0.75 percentage point to 4.5 percent in two meetings over the past eight weeks, the most aggressive easing since the economy was emerging from its last recession in 2001.
Cushion the Economy
Fed officials are trying to cushion the economy from eroding housing markets, without pushing interest rates to a level that would reignite inflation. Financial markets reflect both growth and inflation concerns.
Gold, a traditional hedge against rising consumer prices, rose to the highest level since 1980 yesterday. Crude oil prices posted record highs in New York trading this week. The dollar fell to an all-time low against the euro yesterday.
Wall Street firms have already written down billions of dollars of mortgage-related assets. Credit-risk measures continue to widen as analysts forecast more banks will write off nonperforming loans and debt backed by home loans to borrowers with low credit scores. Subprime loan delinquencies rose to 15 percent in the second quarter.
Bernanke suggested he is monitoring the risk that rising home foreclosures will slow economic growth as almost 450,000 subprime mortgages per quarter see higher interest rates through the end of next year.
``A sharp increase in foreclosed properties for sale could also weaken the already struggling housing market and thus, potentially, the broader economy,'' Bernanke said.
Growth Picture
The economy shook off the housing slump and accelerated to an annual pace of 3.9 percent in the third quarter, the fastest in more than a year. Payrolls rose by 166,000 jobs in October and 96,000 in September. Still, Fed officials said in their statement that ``the pace of economic expansion will likely slow'' as the housing downturn deepens.
In speeches and interviews this week, Fed officials said they expect the economy to expand about 2 percent or less in the fourth quarter. Plosser told the New York Times this week that growth would have to drop below 1 percent to 1.5 percent to justify supporting another rate cut.
The central bank's preferred inflation benchmark, the personal consumption expenditures price index, minus food and energy, rose at an annual rate of less than 2 percent every month since June.
Home Prices
Sales of previously owned homes fell in September to the lowest level since National Association of Realtors began keeping records in 1999. Median prices fell 4.2 percent from the same month a year earlier. The number of homes for sale at month end rose to 4.4 million, representing a record 10.5 months' supply.
The Fed chief said the central bank doesn't take ``an alarmist'' view of the impact that lower property values may have on consumer spending.
Bernanke told lawmakers the Fed is ``on schedule'' to deliver tighter restrictions on mortgage lending practices by year-end. Fed officials are looking at four areas: low documentation loans, the exclusion of taxes and insurance from subprime loan payments, prepayment penalties, and standards to judge a loan's affordability."
James Wheat
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Ulisses Pereira Escreveu:...É apenas uma mera hipóteses, mas suficiente para me deixar cauteloso e completamente fora do mercado (sem posições curtas nem longas).
Um abraço,
Ulisses
Olha, olha, el señor Dom Ulisses



James Wheat
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James Wheat Escreveu:maromatics, não sejas sempre tão pessimista![]()
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!! Tá-se bem, yôôooo
!
Os futuros viraram para o verde e já está tudo na Europa a inverter... Pois é, custa sempre muito aos mercados digerir derrotas, por isso as quedas são por vezes tão brutais. Isto sobe-se de elevador, mas desce-se de escadas.
Considero os tempos actuais de grande aprendizagem para quem gere directamente - i.é. de forma autónoma / independente - os seus investimentos.
Aprende-se muito com o mercado actual...
A aceitar estar de fora e rejeitar a sempre-potencialmente-muito-generosa recompensa da volatilidade...
A ser-se humilde para não se pretender ser o herói que acerta no movimento diário (sobretudo quando se consegue 1-2 vezes; é sinal que estamos mais perto do erro)...
Deixar o 'people' graúdo jogar nos swings diários e ficar-se à margem desse desgaste que lhes reduz a qualidade / o tempo de vida...
Numa palavra, ficar de fora a assobiar, enquanto os gajos se esfolam / comem vivos :wink:

O problema é a ganância... o eterno pecado da ganância, meus amigos

Por mim 'tá-se super-bem' a ver a caravana passar

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Só uma achega, é muito frequente no mercado norte-americano que antes da verdadeira ruptura se dê uma falsa. Por isso, não me surpreenderia nada que o índice recuperasse criando a ilusão que já estaria a salvo. É apenas uma mera hipóteses, mas suficiente para me deixar cauteloso e completamente fora do mercado (sem posições curtas nem longas).
Um abraço,
Ulisses
Um abraço,
Ulisses
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Olá,
Os 1.490 são agora um forte resistência.
Durante a noite os futuros seguiram em queda, tal como a Ásia.
O SPX irá agora, mais cedo ou mais tarde, testar os mínimos de Agosto.
Mas a má notícia não é essa. A má notícia é que o papel comercial de melhor qualidade (AAA) voltou a dar um tombo (vejam o gráfico).
Cuidado com as compras neste mercado.
Para quem está a começar: talvez seja boa ideia ficar de fora por agora.
Boa gestão de risco...
Os 1.490 são agora um forte resistência.
Durante a noite os futuros seguiram em queda, tal como a Ásia.
O SPX irá agora, mais cedo ou mais tarde, testar os mínimos de Agosto.
Mas a má notícia não é essa. A má notícia é que o papel comercial de melhor qualidade (AAA) voltou a dar um tombo (vejam o gráfico).
Cuidado com as compras neste mercado.
Para quem está a começar: talvez seja boa ideia ficar de fora por agora.
Boa gestão de risco...
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E já estamos quase em cima dos máximos de fevereiro
A sessão asiática deve ser linda
Atenção a todos e BN

A sessão asiática deve ser linda

Atenção a todos e BN

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"A grandeza de um homem não está em nunca cair, mas sim em levantar-se sempre após todas as quedas." --- Confucius
"Pague a bondade com bondade, mas o mal com a justiça" --- Confucius
"Experiência e humildade são excelentes veículos para percorrer a via em direcção ao sucesso" --- Thunder o filósofo de meia-tigela
"Pague a bondade com bondade, mas o mal com a justiça" --- Confucius
"Experiência e humildade são excelentes veículos para percorrer a via em direcção ao sucesso" --- Thunder o filósofo de meia-tigela
Olá a todos
Estão a seguir os futuros do SP500? menos 7 pontos desde as 21:30H ...
Abraço a todos e BN

Estão a seguir os futuros do SP500? menos 7 pontos desde as 21:30H ...
Abraço a todos e BN

"A grandeza de um homem não está em nunca cair, mas sim em levantar-se sempre após todas as quedas." --- Confucius
"Pague a bondade com bondade, mas o mal com a justiça" --- Confucius
"Experiência e humildade são excelentes veículos para percorrer a via em direcção ao sucesso" --- Thunder o filósofo de meia-tigela
"Pague a bondade com bondade, mas o mal com a justiça" --- Confucius
"Experiência e humildade são excelentes veículos para percorrer a via em direcção ao sucesso" --- Thunder o filósofo de meia-tigela
Tiro e queda: já lá foi. Dito isto, óbviamente que teremos que ver um fecho abaixo para considerar o suporte quebrado.
A terminar, um artigo na sequência do excelente ultimo post do maromatics:
"Banks Face $100 Billion of Writedowns on Level 3 Rule (Update1)
By John Glover
Nov. 7 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. banks and brokers face as much as $100 billion of writedowns because of Level 3 accounting rules, in addition to the losses caused by the subprime credit slump, according to Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc.
The Financial Accounting Standards Board's rule 157 will make it harder for companies to avoid putting market prices on securities considered hardest to value, known as Level 3 assets, Royal Bank's chief credit strategist Bob Janjuah in London wrote in a note today. The new rule is effective Nov. 15.
``This credit crisis, when all is out, will see $250 billion to $500 billion of losses,'' Janjuah said. ``The heat is on and it is inevitable that more players will have to revalue at least a decent portion'' of assets they currently value using ``mark-to-make believe.''
Wall Street's biggest firms have written down at least $40 billion as prices of mortgage-related assets dwindle because of record foreclosures. Morgan Stanley, the second-biggest U.S. securities firm, has 251 percent of its equity in Level 3 assets, making it the most vulnerable to writedowns, followed by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. at 185 percent, according to Janjuah.
Morgan Stanley fell $3.72, or 6.8 percent, to $50.79 at 1:15 p.m. in New York. The New York-based bank is down 23 percent this month. New York-based Goldman Sachs dropped 3.97 percent to $214.29.
Morgan Stanley may write down $6 billion of assets, David Trone, an analyst at Fox-Pitt Kelton Cochran Caronia Waller, said yesterday.
Merrill is Healthiest
Citigroup Inc., which this week said losses from subprime assets may be $11 billion, has 105 percent of its equity in Level 3 assets, Janjuah wrote. The New York-based bank fell 2.51 percent to $34.20, a four-and-a-half year low.
Merrill Lynch & Co., which wrote down $8.4 billion of subprime mortgage debt and other debt securities, has Level 3 assets equal to 38 percent of its equity ``and may well come out of all of this in the best health,'' Janjuah said. Merrill lost 4.36 percent at $53.91.
``If you look at the writedowns just at Citi and Merrill already it's about $20 billion, so $100 billion may be on the conservative side globally,'' said Sajiv Vaid, who manages the equivalent of about $10.5 billion of corporate debt at Royal London Asset Management in London, a unit of the U.K.'s biggest customer-owned insurer.
The losses are likely to hurt shareholders more than bondholders because the banks may be forced to sell stock to raise additional capital, Vaid said.
`Unobservable' Inputs
Under FASB terminology, Level 1 means mark-to-market, where an asset's worth is based on a real price. Level 2 is mark-to- model, an estimate based on observable inputs and used when there aren't any quoted prices available. Level 3 values are based on ``unobservable'' inputs reflecting companies' ``own assumptions'' about the way assets would be priced.
ABX indexes, which investors use to track the subprime-bond market, are showing ``observable levels'' that would wipe out institutions' capital if the benchmark's prices were used to value their Level 3 assets, according to Janjuah.
The indexes have tumbled this year because investors expected rising numbers of borrowers to default on home loans, cutting the cash flowing to the bonds that package the mortgages.
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. has the equivalent of 159 percent of its equity in Level 3 assets, and Bear Stearns Cos. has 154 percent, according to Janjuah's note, called ``Bob's World: Feast and Famine.'' "
Speechless
...
A terminar, um artigo na sequência do excelente ultimo post do maromatics:
"Banks Face $100 Billion of Writedowns on Level 3 Rule (Update1)
By John Glover
Nov. 7 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. banks and brokers face as much as $100 billion of writedowns because of Level 3 accounting rules, in addition to the losses caused by the subprime credit slump, according to Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc.
The Financial Accounting Standards Board's rule 157 will make it harder for companies to avoid putting market prices on securities considered hardest to value, known as Level 3 assets, Royal Bank's chief credit strategist Bob Janjuah in London wrote in a note today. The new rule is effective Nov. 15.
``This credit crisis, when all is out, will see $250 billion to $500 billion of losses,'' Janjuah said. ``The heat is on and it is inevitable that more players will have to revalue at least a decent portion'' of assets they currently value using ``mark-to-make believe.''
Wall Street's biggest firms have written down at least $40 billion as prices of mortgage-related assets dwindle because of record foreclosures. Morgan Stanley, the second-biggest U.S. securities firm, has 251 percent of its equity in Level 3 assets, making it the most vulnerable to writedowns, followed by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. at 185 percent, according to Janjuah.
Morgan Stanley fell $3.72, or 6.8 percent, to $50.79 at 1:15 p.m. in New York. The New York-based bank is down 23 percent this month. New York-based Goldman Sachs dropped 3.97 percent to $214.29.
Morgan Stanley may write down $6 billion of assets, David Trone, an analyst at Fox-Pitt Kelton Cochran Caronia Waller, said yesterday.
Merrill is Healthiest
Citigroup Inc., which this week said losses from subprime assets may be $11 billion, has 105 percent of its equity in Level 3 assets, Janjuah wrote. The New York-based bank fell 2.51 percent to $34.20, a four-and-a-half year low.
Merrill Lynch & Co., which wrote down $8.4 billion of subprime mortgage debt and other debt securities, has Level 3 assets equal to 38 percent of its equity ``and may well come out of all of this in the best health,'' Janjuah said. Merrill lost 4.36 percent at $53.91.
``If you look at the writedowns just at Citi and Merrill already it's about $20 billion, so $100 billion may be on the conservative side globally,'' said Sajiv Vaid, who manages the equivalent of about $10.5 billion of corporate debt at Royal London Asset Management in London, a unit of the U.K.'s biggest customer-owned insurer.
The losses are likely to hurt shareholders more than bondholders because the banks may be forced to sell stock to raise additional capital, Vaid said.
`Unobservable' Inputs
Under FASB terminology, Level 1 means mark-to-market, where an asset's worth is based on a real price. Level 2 is mark-to- model, an estimate based on observable inputs and used when there aren't any quoted prices available. Level 3 values are based on ``unobservable'' inputs reflecting companies' ``own assumptions'' about the way assets would be priced.
ABX indexes, which investors use to track the subprime-bond market, are showing ``observable levels'' that would wipe out institutions' capital if the benchmark's prices were used to value their Level 3 assets, according to Janjuah.
The indexes have tumbled this year because investors expected rising numbers of borrowers to default on home loans, cutting the cash flowing to the bonds that package the mortgages.
Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. has the equivalent of 159 percent of its equity in Level 3 assets, and Bear Stearns Cos. has 154 percent, according to Janjuah's note, called ``Bob's World: Feast and Famine.'' "
Speechless

James Wheat
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Parece-me que hoje se vai jogar o futuro do SPX a 1.490...
Tem feito uma resistência heróica, mas a pressão é cada vez maior: é o dolar sempre a cair, o petróleo e o ouro sempre a subir, o subprime cada vez mais agravado, um dia a Turquia, no outro o Paquistão, depois o banco central chinês, etc. etc. !
O panorama está cada dia mais complicado e com isto na nossa praça veem-se os papeis práticamente todos a descerem lleeeennnttaaammente...
!
Tem sido 'do mais interessante' estar a ver de fora
!!
Tem feito uma resistência heróica, mas a pressão é cada vez maior: é o dolar sempre a cair, o petróleo e o ouro sempre a subir, o subprime cada vez mais agravado, um dia a Turquia, no outro o Paquistão, depois o banco central chinês, etc. etc. !
O panorama está cada dia mais complicado e com isto na nossa praça veem-se os papeis práticamente todos a descerem lleeeennnttaaammente...

Tem sido 'do mais interessante' estar a ver de fora


James Wheat
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Olá,
Para quem (como eu) considere que o que está em causa é únicamente um gravissimo problema de liquidez / solvabilidade dos bancos Americanos, junto abaixo os valores estimados de activos em "nível III" nas carteiras dos bancos, e o seu rácio face ao capital social dos Bancos:
* Citigroup: Equity base: $128 billion, Level III: $135 billion. Ratio: 105%
* Goldman: $39 billion, Level III: $72 billion. Ratio: 185%.
* Morgan Stanley: $35 billion. Level III: $88 billion. Ratio: 251%.
* Bear Stearns: $13 billion. Level III: $20 billion. Ratio: 154%.
* Merrill Lynch: $42 billion. Level III: $16 billion. Ratio: 38%.]
Para quem estiver curioso sobre o que são activos de nível III:
Investment banks categorize their investments in three buckets. They are:
* Type I: Securities that are ‘marked to market’ or where they could actually sell them according to the last price.
* Type II: Securities that are ‘marked to model’ where they could conceivably sell them at a price determined by an analytical model.
* Type III: Illiquid securities that are ‘marked to management’—or prices subjectively determined to be fair value by the management structure of the firm
Os valores exactos dos volumes de "nível III" das carteiras serão divulgados para a semana, no dia 15.
Este é para mim o verdadeiro problema, e não há AT que resista a algo com esta dimensão.
É por isso que estamos a ver a FED a imprimir dinheiro a alta velocidade, o USD no lixo, o ouro a disparar, e o equity artificialmente inflacionado.
Não me parece que isto esteja bonito.
Para quem (como eu) considere que o que está em causa é únicamente um gravissimo problema de liquidez / solvabilidade dos bancos Americanos, junto abaixo os valores estimados de activos em "nível III" nas carteiras dos bancos, e o seu rácio face ao capital social dos Bancos:
* Citigroup: Equity base: $128 billion, Level III: $135 billion. Ratio: 105%
* Goldman: $39 billion, Level III: $72 billion. Ratio: 185%.
* Morgan Stanley: $35 billion. Level III: $88 billion. Ratio: 251%.
* Bear Stearns: $13 billion. Level III: $20 billion. Ratio: 154%.
* Merrill Lynch: $42 billion. Level III: $16 billion. Ratio: 38%.]
Para quem estiver curioso sobre o que são activos de nível III:
Investment banks categorize their investments in three buckets. They are:
* Type I: Securities that are ‘marked to market’ or where they could actually sell them according to the last price.
* Type II: Securities that are ‘marked to model’ where they could conceivably sell them at a price determined by an analytical model.
* Type III: Illiquid securities that are ‘marked to management’—or prices subjectively determined to be fair value by the management structure of the firm
Os valores exactos dos volumes de "nível III" das carteiras serão divulgados para a semana, no dia 15.
Este é para mim o verdadeiro problema, e não há AT que resista a algo com esta dimensão.
É por isso que estamos a ver a FED a imprimir dinheiro a alta velocidade, o USD no lixo, o ouro a disparar, e o equity artificialmente inflacionado.
Não me parece que isto esteja bonito.
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Espero estar 1000% errado, mas talvez seja realismo.
Espero bem que não !!!
Espero bem que não !!!

Jaimek Escreveu:iurp Escreveu:Nova investida dos "ursos"!!!? E como diz o Maromatics, cada vez que vai ao suporte, abre brechas que numa próxima investida poderá fazer cpm que o "muro" não aguente. E se não aguentar, teremos mínimos de Agosto como possível suporte.
Viva ao pessimismo, não ?
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iurp Escreveu:Nova investida dos "ursos"!!!? E como diz o Maromatics, cada vez que vai ao suporte, abre brechas que numa próxima investida poderá fazer cpm que o "muro" não aguente. E se não aguentar, teremos mínimos de Agosto como possível suporte.
Viva ao pessimismo, não ?
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Nova investida dos "ursos"!!!? E como diz o Maromatics, cada vez que vai ao suporte, abre brechas que numa próxima investida poderá fazer cpm que o "muro" não aguente. E se não aguentar, teremos mínimos de Agosto como possível suporte.
Os resultados das empresas continuam a ser bons, mas o papel comercial não melhora e a reflexão da crise poderá já aparecer nos resultados do 4º trimestre.
Mas ainda é cedo...tudo muito nebuloso. Continuo a ver puxarem pelos índices no sentido de distribuirem papel mais acima.
Há que ter...extremo cuidado.
abraço
Os resultados das empresas continuam a ser bons, mas o papel comercial não melhora e a reflexão da crise poderá já aparecer nos resultados do 4º trimestre.
Mas ainda é cedo...tudo muito nebuloso. Continuo a ver puxarem pelos índices no sentido de distribuirem papel mais acima.
Há que ter...extremo cuidado.
abraço
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Olá,
Os graficos do papel comercial estão básicamente no ponto em que estavam no momento da decisão da FED: não melhorou nem piorou, e por isso é que não tenho colocado aqui nada.
A notícia de hoje é o crude a 100 USD (pode ser ainda hoje), e o USD / EUR perto dos 1,4650.
A grande questão neste momento é saber o que se vai passar com os 1.490 do SPX:
- Iremos lá voltar? Acredito que sim.
- Nos próximos dias? Também.
- E vai aguentar? Provavelmente não.
Mas esta visão pode estar errada.
Podemos também estar a desenhar um Cup & Handle no SPX que projecta o índice para cima em movimento parabólico...embora cada vez me pareça menos provável.
Os graficos do papel comercial estão básicamente no ponto em que estavam no momento da decisão da FED: não melhorou nem piorou, e por isso é que não tenho colocado aqui nada.
A notícia de hoje é o crude a 100 USD (pode ser ainda hoje), e o USD / EUR perto dos 1,4650.
A grande questão neste momento é saber o que se vai passar com os 1.490 do SPX:
- Iremos lá voltar? Acredito que sim.
- Nos próximos dias? Também.
- E vai aguentar? Provavelmente não.
Mas esta visão pode estar errada.
Podemos também estar a desenhar um Cup & Handle no SPX que projecta o índice para cima em movimento parabólico...embora cada vez me pareça menos provável.
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maromatics,
vá actualizando aqui os gráficos do papel comercial, ok? Obrigado.
vá actualizando aqui os gráficos do papel comercial, ok? Obrigado.
"Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside themselves was superior to circumstance."
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Re: Trading USA
life as it is Escreveu:Olá a todos!
maromatics, queria pedir-lhe a sua ajuda e opinião-já agora- porque estou a pensar investir numa acção do mercado americano que é o Citigroup.
Acho que está aqui uma excelente oportunidade. A desvalorização desde o início desta crise já ultrapassouos 37% (neste momento) e só hoje desvalorizou 6,41%.
Agora, eu penso que este momento não é o ideal. Por outro lado, tb sei que assim que for anunciado o novo CEO as acções sobem. A minha intuição diz-me que a melhor altura talvez seja no final de Novembro/início de Dezembro. O que é que acha?
Se me pudesse dar aqui uma mãozinha, agradecia.Obrigado.
Olá Life

Aqui vai o meu bitaite

A questão principal que tens a colocar deve ser o espaço temporal em que realmente queres ter estas acções. Se for para muito longo prazo se calhar tens um bom desconto..... Mas todos sabemos que "pescar" fundos pode ser um exercício bastante caro.... Tens que ter "bolsos fundos" para aguentar possíveis quedas .
O que acho que dificulta-te a entrada a curto prazo é o facto de o SP500 estar numa zona de suporte muito importante.... se ela não aguentar podes ter uma queda ainda mais forte nas acções do Citi, pois afinal de contas a origem da fragilidade no Sp500 é "a mesma" da fragilidade das acções do Citi.
Atenção a zona dos 1490 e aos falsos breaks....
Um abraço a todos e BN
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Life,
Acho cedo para comprar o sector financeiro.
Lê este artigo na Reuters:
http://www.moneyline.com/article/ousiv/ ... geNumber=1
Acho cedo para comprar o sector financeiro.
Lê este artigo na Reuters:
http://www.moneyline.com/article/ousiv/ ... geNumber=1
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Trading USA
Olá a todos!
maromatics, queria pedir-lhe a sua ajuda e opinião-já agora- porque estou a pensar investir numa acção do mercado americano que é o Citigroup.
Acho que está aqui uma excelente oportunidade. A desvalorização desde o início desta crise já ultrapassouos 37% (neste momento) e só hoje desvalorizou 6,41%.
Agora, eu penso que este momento não é o ideal. Por outro lado, tb sei que assim que for anunciado o novo CEO as acções sobem. A minha intuição diz-me que a melhor altura talvez seja no final de Novembro/início de Dezembro. O que é que acha?
Se me pudesse dar aqui uma mãozinha, agradecia.
Obrigado.
maromatics, queria pedir-lhe a sua ajuda e opinião-já agora- porque estou a pensar investir numa acção do mercado americano que é o Citigroup.
Acho que está aqui uma excelente oportunidade. A desvalorização desde o início desta crise já ultrapassouos 37% (neste momento) e só hoje desvalorizou 6,41%.
Agora, eu penso que este momento não é o ideal. Por outro lado, tb sei que assim que for anunciado o novo CEO as acções sobem. A minha intuição diz-me que a melhor altura talvez seja no final de Novembro/início de Dezembro. O que é que acha?
Se me pudesse dar aqui uma mãozinha, agradecia.

"Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside themselves was superior to circumstance."
Bruce Barton (1886 - 1967) American advertising executive, U.S. congressman
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Já há malta a fazer ameaças de morte e tudo...parece o futebol, quando o Benfica perde e o Porto ganha. LOL
CIBC analyst got death threats on Citigroup:
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The analyst whose downgrade of Citigroup Inc sparked a broad stock market sell-off on Thursday said she has received several death threats stemming from her research, the Times of London said.
Meredith Whitney of CIBC World Markets Inc late Wednesday downgraded Citigroup to "sector underperformer," saying the largest U.S. bank by assets might need to raise more than $30 billion of capital and cut its dividend.
Her downgrade triggered a 6.9 percent drop in Citigroup's shares on Thursday, leading to declines of 362 points in the Dow Jones industrial average and 2.6 percent in the Standard & Poor's 500, the biggest drop since August.
It also led to renewed calls for Citigroup Chief Executive Charles Prince to step down.
"People are scared to be negative, especially when a company has such a wide holding," Whitney told the Times of London in an article published Saturday.
"Clients are not pleased with my call and I have had several death threats," she continued. "But it was the most straightforward call I've made in my career and I am surprised my peer analysts have been resistant. It's so straightforward, it's indisputable."
Whitney did not immediately return requests for comment on Sunday. In 2005 she married John "Bradshaw" Layfield, a former World Wrestling Entertainment champion. CIBC World Markets is part of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.
Prince is expected to resign later Sunday at an emergency meeting of Citigroup's board of directors, the Wall Street Journal and New York Times said.
His departure would follow significant losses at the bank from exposure to bad loans, mortgages and other debt. Citigroup's market value has fallen below that of Bank of America Corp, the second-largest U.S. bank by assets.
CIBC analyst got death threats on Citigroup:
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The analyst whose downgrade of Citigroup Inc sparked a broad stock market sell-off on Thursday said she has received several death threats stemming from her research, the Times of London said.
Meredith Whitney of CIBC World Markets Inc late Wednesday downgraded Citigroup to "sector underperformer," saying the largest U.S. bank by assets might need to raise more than $30 billion of capital and cut its dividend.
Her downgrade triggered a 6.9 percent drop in Citigroup's shares on Thursday, leading to declines of 362 points in the Dow Jones industrial average and 2.6 percent in the Standard & Poor's 500, the biggest drop since August.
It also led to renewed calls for Citigroup Chief Executive Charles Prince to step down.
"People are scared to be negative, especially when a company has such a wide holding," Whitney told the Times of London in an article published Saturday.
"Clients are not pleased with my call and I have had several death threats," she continued. "But it was the most straightforward call I've made in my career and I am surprised my peer analysts have been resistant. It's so straightforward, it's indisputable."
Whitney did not immediately return requests for comment on Sunday. In 2005 she married John "Bradshaw" Layfield, a former World Wrestling Entertainment champion. CIBC World Markets is part of Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.
Prince is expected to resign later Sunday at an emergency meeting of Citigroup's board of directors, the Wall Street Journal and New York Times said.
His departure would follow significant losses at the bank from exposure to bad loans, mortgages and other debt. Citigroup's market value has fallen below that of Bank of America Corp, the second-largest U.S. bank by assets.
"Nothing splendid has ever been achieved except by those who dared believe that something inside themselves was superior to circumstance."
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