Entusiasmo com IA dá maior ganho semanal deste ano a S&P 500 e Nasdaq

[nuuuuno]

ok...nao vale apena ! parece que quem nao percebeu foste tu...!
sds

[L.S.S]

O Zuckerberg tem mais de 500 milhões de acções. E, naturalmente que quer encaixar algum. Aliás, esta venda de 30 milhões já tinha sido anunciada pelo próprio num documento enviado à SEC antes do IPO.

Quanto à Morgan Stanley, o comportamento foi deplorável.

Um abraço,
Ulisses

nao percebi porque foi deploravel o comportamento da morgan stanley... tambem nao percebi como se vende 480milhoes de acçoes se so existem 420... aparenente e lendo a conclusao do artigo é que a morgan stanley comprou em 2 tranches os 63 milhoesd de acçoes a 38...! sinceraemnte...nao percebi a jogada!

Já leste bem o que fez a Morgan Stanley?

Não foi deplorável, foi muito deplorável.

Adiante...

Hoje temos o FB verde no Pre-Market sendo a acção com mais volume na Bolsa Nasdaq .

li e pelo que entendi, nao ganhou nada com isso além de ficar mal vista. é que a jogada tinha funcionado se nao tivessem comprado no dia do IPO a tranche dos 68 milhoes de acçoes, mas como o fizeram, e a conclusao do artigo é que :
"So the chances are that at the end of the day, Morgan Stanley is going to end up pretty flat on its trade, selling the shares at $38 and then buying them back at $38. But if it bought more than 63 million shares on Friday, then it is sitting on a substantial mark-to-market loss right now. And similarly, if it bought back fewer than 63 million shares on Friday, then it’s actually making a profit on its greenshoe short."


se o que voces acham deploravel é ter baixado internamente semanas antes e a apenas alguns clientes a avaliação do facebook, entao, nao acho deploravel, é o comportamento que eu espero das casas de investimento e portanto perfeitamente natural e pratica comum. nao sou tao inocente assim felizmente.

Vai aí uma confusão enorme, lê a noticia toda e não uma parte da noticia.

Se isto para ti não é um comportamento deplorável, estamos conversados...

Morgan Stanley’s $2.4 billion Facebook short

Matt Levine had a very wonky post on Friday afternoon about the dynamics of the Facebook IPO in general and of the very misunderstood greenshoe option in particular. Now that we’ve all had a nice relaxing weekend, it’s maybe worth revisiting that greenshoe, because it’s actually possible, given Facebook’s tumbling share price today, that Morgan Stanley will make a substantial amount of money on it.

First, it’s worth explaining how the greenshoe option is meant to work. In the IPO, the underwriting banks — there were lots of them, but let’s just call them all “Morgan Stanley”, for simplicity’s sake — sold 484 million shares of Facebook at $38 each. At the same time, they bought 421 million shares of Facebook from the company and its investors, at $37.582 each. The underwriter’s fee of 1.1% is the difference between those two numbers: if you buy at $37.582 and sell at $38, then you end up creaming off 1.1% of the total amount raised.

You’ll note that Morgan Stanley sold more shares than it bought. That’s the greenshoe. When you sell more shares than you buy, you’re short that stock, so when a bank exercises its greenshoe option, as Morgan Stanley did in this case, it is going short the stock in question.

Why would a company like Facebook want its banks to be short its own stock? Partly because when there’s a big short in the market, that provides upward pressure on the share price. Shorts need to cover their short position — which means they need to buy stock. But more generally, the greenshoe is a way to provide the market with a nice extra slug of shares, which everybody wants if the stock trades substantially higher than its IPO price.

The greenshoe does, however, raise certain existential questions — not least, how can 484 million shares be sold, if only 421 million shares have been issued? Do those extra 63 million shares exist?

It’s a good question, and the answer is that they’re in a kind of quantum limbo, a bit like Schrödinger’s cat. In one possible world the shares trade happily on the open market, in which case Morgan Stanley will exercise its option, and force Facebook and its investors* to cough up the last 63 million shares; at that point, they certainly do exist. In another possible world, Morgan Stanley ends up buying back those 63 million shares on the open market, thereby reducing the number of shares actually trading to the original 421 million. In that world, the 63 million shares never had much of an existence: they were sold by Morgan Stanley and then bought back by Morgan Stanley, and all that’s left at the end of the day is nothing.

Given where Facebook is trading right now, you can be sure that Morgan Stanley will not exercise its option, Facebook and its investors will not issue those extra 63 million shares, and that in a few days’ time, the free float of Facebook shares will be 421 million, not 484 million.

Which in turn means that over the course of the first two or three trading sessions, Morgan Stanley will have ended up buying 63 million shares of Facebook on the open market. It sold those shares at $38, remember. So its total profit on the greenshoe operation will be zero if it bought all 63 million shares at $38 exactly. If it bought some of the shares above $38, then it could end up making a loss. And if it ends up buying a slug of shares below $38, then it’ll end up making a profit. That’s what happens, when you go short at $38 and then buy back at, say, $34.

This is a very big trade: 63 million shares at $38 each comes to $2.4 billion. On the other hand, there’s very little doubt that Morgan Stanley was doing a lot of buying on Friday. 43 million shares were bought at $38.00 exactly, and another 28.5 million shares were bought at $38.01. It’s reasonable to assume that most if not all of that buying came from Morgan Stanley, supporting the share price.

So the chances are that at the end of the day, Morgan Stanley is going to end up pretty flat on its trade, selling the shares at $38 and then buying them back at $38. But if it bought more than 63 million shares on Friday, then it is sitting on a substantial mark-to-market loss right now. And similarly, if it bought back fewer than 63 million shares on Friday, then it’s actually making a profit on its greenshoe short.

Chances are, no one outside the company will ever know for sure what Morgan Stanley’s P&L on the Facebook IPO ends up looking like. But it would make sense, if Morgan Stanley saw a lot of selling pressure on Friday, for the bank to keep onto at least a little bit of its short position into Monday morning. At which point it could make a tidy profit on that plunging share price.

*In this case, it’s actually just the investors: Facebook wasn’t participating in the greenshoe scheme. But it could have, if it had wanted to.

ja li 2x e percebi tudo (devia ter feito logo no inicio)...o greenshoe é 1 garantia dos investidores privados em fornecer mais acções. deploravel...?? é questionavel...eu nao confio nas casas de investimento ou bancos ou agencias de rating d1 modo geral. todas servem interesses e têm como objectivo para ganhar dinheiro. penso que nao é preciso dizer mais nada. é feito?? é...! é algo que nao seja pratica comum?? nao, de modo algum! agora...pergunto eu e tu podes responder por ti em vez de mandares ler a noticia! o que ganhou o banco com isto tudo ??

Leste duas vezes a noticias e ainda estas a perguntar o que ganhou o banco!?

Haja paciência...

[nuuuuno]

O Zuckerberg tem mais de 500 milhões de acções. E, naturalmente que quer encaixar algum. Aliás, esta venda de 30 milhões já tinha sido anunciada pelo próprio num documento enviado à SEC antes do IPO.

Quanto à Morgan Stanley, o comportamento foi deplorável.

Um abraço,
Ulisses

nao percebi porque foi deploravel o comportamento da morgan stanley... tambem nao percebi como se vende 480milhoes de acçoes se so existem 420... aparenente e lendo a conclusao do artigo é que a morgan stanley comprou em 2 tranches os 63 milhoesd de acçoes a 38...! sinceraemnte...nao percebi a jogada!

Já leste bem o que fez a Morgan Stanley?

Não foi deplorável, foi muito deplorável.

Adiante...

Hoje temos o FB verde no Pre-Market sendo a acção com mais volume na Bolsa Nasdaq .

li e pelo que entendi, nao ganhou nada com isso além de ficar mal vista. é que a jogada tinha funcionado se nao tivessem comprado no dia do IPO a tranche dos 68 milhoes de acçoes, mas como o fizeram, e a conclusao do artigo é que :
"So the chances are that at the end of the day, Morgan Stanley is going to end up pretty flat on its trade, selling the shares at $38 and then buying them back at $38. But if it bought more than 63 million shares on Friday, then it is sitting on a substantial mark-to-market loss right now. And similarly, if it bought back fewer than 63 million shares on Friday, then it’s actually making a profit on its greenshoe short."


se o que voces acham deploravel é ter baixado internamente semanas antes e a apenas alguns clientes a avaliação do facebook, entao, nao acho deploravel, é o comportamento que eu espero das casas de investimento e portanto perfeitamente natural e pratica comum. nao sou tao inocente assim felizmente.

Vai aí uma confusão enorme, lê a noticia toda e não uma parte da noticia.

Se isto para ti não é um comportamento deplorável, estamos conversados...

Morgan Stanley’s $2.4 billion Facebook short

Matt Levine had a very wonky post on Friday afternoon about the dynamics of the Facebook IPO in general and of the very misunderstood greenshoe option in particular. Now that we’ve all had a nice relaxing weekend, it’s maybe worth revisiting that greenshoe, because it’s actually possible, given Facebook’s tumbling share price today, that Morgan Stanley will make a substantial amount of money on it.

First, it’s worth explaining how the greenshoe option is meant to work. In the IPO, the underwriting banks — there were lots of them, but let’s just call them all “Morgan Stanley”, for simplicity’s sake — sold 484 million shares of Facebook at $38 each. At the same time, they bought 421 million shares of Facebook from the company and its investors, at $37.582 each. The underwriter’s fee of 1.1% is the difference between those two numbers: if you buy at $37.582 and sell at $38, then you end up creaming off 1.1% of the total amount raised.

You’ll note that Morgan Stanley sold more shares than it bought. That’s the greenshoe. When you sell more shares than you buy, you’re short that stock, so when a bank exercises its greenshoe option, as Morgan Stanley did in this case, it is going short the stock in question.

Why would a company like Facebook want its banks to be short its own stock? Partly because when there’s a big short in the market, that provides upward pressure on the share price. Shorts need to cover their short position — which means they need to buy stock. But more generally, the greenshoe is a way to provide the market with a nice extra slug of shares, which everybody wants if the stock trades substantially higher than its IPO price.

The greenshoe does, however, raise certain existential questions — not least, how can 484 million shares be sold, if only 421 million shares have been issued? Do those extra 63 million shares exist?

It’s a good question, and the answer is that they’re in a kind of quantum limbo, a bit like Schrödinger’s cat. In one possible world the shares trade happily on the open market, in which case Morgan Stanley will exercise its option, and force Facebook and its investors* to cough up the last 63 million shares; at that point, they certainly do exist. In another possible world, Morgan Stanley ends up buying back those 63 million shares on the open market, thereby reducing the number of shares actually trading to the original 421 million. In that world, the 63 million shares never had much of an existence: they were sold by Morgan Stanley and then bought back by Morgan Stanley, and all that’s left at the end of the day is nothing.

Given where Facebook is trading right now, you can be sure that Morgan Stanley will not exercise its option, Facebook and its investors will not issue those extra 63 million shares, and that in a few days’ time, the free float of Facebook shares will be 421 million, not 484 million.

Which in turn means that over the course of the first two or three trading sessions, Morgan Stanley will have ended up buying 63 million shares of Facebook on the open market. It sold those shares at $38, remember. So its total profit on the greenshoe operation will be zero if it bought all 63 million shares at $38 exactly. If it bought some of the shares above $38, then it could end up making a loss. And if it ends up buying a slug of shares below $38, then it’ll end up making a profit. That’s what happens, when you go short at $38 and then buy back at, say, $34.

This is a very big trade: 63 million shares at $38 each comes to $2.4 billion. On the other hand, there’s very little doubt that Morgan Stanley was doing a lot of buying on Friday. 43 million shares were bought at $38.00 exactly, and another 28.5 million shares were bought at $38.01. It’s reasonable to assume that most if not all of that buying came from Morgan Stanley, supporting the share price.

So the chances are that at the end of the day, Morgan Stanley is going to end up pretty flat on its trade, selling the shares at $38 and then buying them back at $38. But if it bought more than 63 million shares on Friday, then it is sitting on a substantial mark-to-market loss right now. And similarly, if it bought back fewer than 63 million shares on Friday, then it’s actually making a profit on its greenshoe short.

Chances are, no one outside the company will ever know for sure what Morgan Stanley’s P&L on the Facebook IPO ends up looking like. But it would make sense, if Morgan Stanley saw a lot of selling pressure on Friday, for the bank to keep onto at least a little bit of its short position into Monday morning. At which point it could make a tidy profit on that plunging share price.

*In this case, it’s actually just the investors: Facebook wasn’t participating in the greenshoe scheme. But it could have, if it had wanted to.

ja li 2x e percebi tudo (devia ter feito logo no inicio)...o greenshoe é 1 garantia dos investidores privados em fornecer mais acções. deploravel...?? é questionavel...eu nao confio nas casas de investimento ou bancos ou agencias de rating d1 modo geral. todas servem interesses e têm como objectivo para ganhar dinheiro. penso que nao é preciso dizer mais nada. é feito?? é...! é algo que nao seja pratica comum?? nao, de modo algum! agora...pergunto eu e tu podes responder por ti em vez de mandares ler a noticia! o que ganhou o banco com isto tudo ??

[atomez]

tambem nao percebi como se vende 480milhoes de acçoes se so existem 420...

Usaram a opção greenshoe

Pode é questionar-se se isso foi apropriado.

[L.S.S]

O Zuckerberg tem mais de 500 milhões de acções. E, naturalmente que quer encaixar algum. Aliás, esta venda de 30 milhões já tinha sido anunciada pelo próprio num documento enviado à SEC antes do IPO.

Quanto à Morgan Stanley, o comportamento foi deplorável.

Um abraço,
Ulisses

nao percebi porque foi deploravel o comportamento da morgan stanley... tambem nao percebi como se vende 480milhoes de acçoes se so existem 420... aparenente e lendo a conclusao do artigo é que a morgan stanley comprou em 2 tranches os 63 milhoesd de acçoes a 38...! sinceraemnte...nao percebi a jogada!

Já leste bem o que fez a Morgan Stanley?

Não foi deplorável, foi muito deplorável.

Adiante...

Hoje temos o FB verde no Pre-Market sendo a acção com mais volume na Bolsa Nasdaq .

li e pelo que entendi, nao ganhou nada com isso além de ficar mal vista. é que a jogada tinha funcionado se nao tivessem comprado no dia do IPO a tranche dos 68 milhoes de acçoes, mas como o fizeram, e a conclusao do artigo é que :
"So the chances are that at the end of the day, Morgan Stanley is going to end up pretty flat on its trade, selling the shares at $38 and then buying them back at $38. But if it bought more than 63 million shares on Friday, then it is sitting on a substantial mark-to-market loss right now. And similarly, if it bought back fewer than 63 million shares on Friday, then it’s actually making a profit on its greenshoe short."


se o que voces acham deploravel é ter baixado internamente semanas antes e a apenas alguns clientes a avaliação do facebook, entao, nao acho deploravel, é o comportamento que eu espero das casas de investimento e portanto perfeitamente natural e pratica comum. nao sou tao inocente assim felizmente.

Vai aí uma confusão enorme, lê a noticia toda e não uma parte da noticia.

Se isto para ti não é um comportamento deplorável, estamos conversados...

Morgan Stanley’s $2.4 billion Facebook short

Matt Levine had a very wonky post on Friday afternoon about the dynamics of the Facebook IPO in general and of the very misunderstood greenshoe option in particular. Now that we’ve all had a nice relaxing weekend, it’s maybe worth revisiting that greenshoe, because it’s actually possible, given Facebook’s tumbling share price today, that Morgan Stanley will make a substantial amount of money on it.

First, it’s worth explaining how the greenshoe option is meant to work. In the IPO, the underwriting banks — there were lots of them, but let’s just call them all “Morgan Stanley”, for simplicity’s sake — sold 484 million shares of Facebook at $38 each. At the same time, they bought 421 million shares of Facebook from the company and its investors, at $37.582 each. The underwriter’s fee of 1.1% is the difference between those two numbers: if you buy at $37.582 and sell at $38, then you end up creaming off 1.1% of the total amount raised.

You’ll note that Morgan Stanley sold more shares than it bought. That’s the greenshoe. When you sell more shares than you buy, you’re short that stock, so when a bank exercises its greenshoe option, as Morgan Stanley did in this case, it is going short the stock in question.

Why would a company like Facebook want its banks to be short its own stock? Partly because when there’s a big short in the market, that provides upward pressure on the share price. Shorts need to cover their short position — which means they need to buy stock. But more generally, the greenshoe is a way to provide the market with a nice extra slug of shares, which everybody wants if the stock trades substantially higher than its IPO price.

The greenshoe does, however, raise certain existential questions — not least, how can 484 million shares be sold, if only 421 million shares have been issued? Do those extra 63 million shares exist?

It’s a good question, and the answer is that they’re in a kind of quantum limbo, a bit like Schrödinger’s cat. In one possible world the shares trade happily on the open market, in which case Morgan Stanley will exercise its option, and force Facebook and its investors* to cough up the last 63 million shares; at that point, they certainly do exist. In another possible world, Morgan Stanley ends up buying back those 63 million shares on the open market, thereby reducing the number of shares actually trading to the original 421 million. In that world, the 63 million shares never had much of an existence: they were sold by Morgan Stanley and then bought back by Morgan Stanley, and all that’s left at the end of the day is nothing.

Given where Facebook is trading right now, you can be sure that Morgan Stanley will not exercise its option, Facebook and its investors will not issue those extra 63 million shares, and that in a few days’ time, the free float of Facebook shares will be 421 million, not 484 million.

Which in turn means that over the course of the first two or three trading sessions, Morgan Stanley will have ended up buying 63 million shares of Facebook on the open market. It sold those shares at $38, remember. So its total profit on the greenshoe operation will be zero if it bought all 63 million shares at $38 exactly. If it bought some of the shares above $38, then it could end up making a loss. And if it ends up buying a slug of shares below $38, then it’ll end up making a profit. That’s what happens, when you go short at $38 and then buy back at, say, $34.

This is a very big trade: 63 million shares at $38 each comes to $2.4 billion. On the other hand, there’s very little doubt that Morgan Stanley was doing a lot of buying on Friday. 43 million shares were bought at $38.00 exactly, and another 28.5 million shares were bought at $38.01. It’s reasonable to assume that most if not all of that buying came from Morgan Stanley, supporting the share price.

So the chances are that at the end of the day, Morgan Stanley is going to end up pretty flat on its trade, selling the shares at $38 and then buying them back at $38. But if it bought more than 63 million shares on Friday, then it is sitting on a substantial mark-to-market loss right now. And similarly, if it bought back fewer than 63 million shares on Friday, then it’s actually making a profit on its greenshoe short.

Chances are, no one outside the company will ever know for sure what Morgan Stanley’s P&L on the Facebook IPO ends up looking like. But it would make sense, if Morgan Stanley saw a lot of selling pressure on Friday, for the bank to keep onto at least a little bit of its short position into Monday morning. At which point it could make a tidy profit on that plunging share price.

*In this case, it’s actually just the investors: Facebook wasn’t participating in the greenshoe scheme. But it could have, if it had wanted to.

[pascoa]

Tenho uma duvida que gostava que alguem me esclarecesse:

Porque é que existe uma diferença de 20 bilioes de dolares na capitalização bolsista do FB do yahoo para o Google finance?

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=fb&ql=1
86,65BI neste momento,

http://www.google.com/finance?q=fb#
66,28BI neste momento

[nuuuuno]

O Zuckerberg tem mais de 500 milhões de acções. E, naturalmente que quer encaixar algum. Aliás, esta venda de 30 milhões já tinha sido anunciada pelo próprio num documento enviado à SEC antes do IPO.

Quanto à Morgan Stanley, o comportamento foi deplorável.

Um abraço,
Ulisses

nao percebi porque foi deploravel o comportamento da morgan stanley... tambem nao percebi como se vende 480milhoes de acçoes se so existem 420... aparenente e lendo a conclusao do artigo é que a morgan stanley comprou em 2 tranches os 63 milhoesd de acçoes a 38...! sinceraemnte...nao percebi a jogada!

Já leste bem o que fez a Morgan Stanley?

Não foi deplorável, foi muito deplorável.

Adiante...

Hoje temos o FB verde no Pre-Market sendo a acção com mais volume na Bolsa Nasdaq .

li e pelo que entendi, nao ganhou nada com isso além de ficar mal vista. é que a jogada tinha funcionado se nao tivessem comprado no dia do IPO a tranche dos 68 milhoes de acçoes, mas como o fizeram, e a conclusao do artigo é que :
"So the chances are that at the end of the day, Morgan Stanley is going to end up pretty flat on its trade, selling the shares at $38 and then buying them back at $38. But if it bought more than 63 million shares on Friday, then it is sitting on a substantial mark-to-market loss right now. And similarly, if it bought back fewer than 63 million shares on Friday, then it’s actually making a profit on its greenshoe short."


se o que voces acham deploravel é ter baixado internamente semanas antes e a apenas alguns clientes a avaliação do facebook, entao, nao acho deploravel, é o comportamento que eu espero das casas de investimento e portanto perfeitamente natural e pratica comum. nao sou tao inocente assim felizmente.

[L.S.S]

O Zuckerberg tem mais de 500 milhões de acções. E, naturalmente que quer encaixar algum. Aliás, esta venda de 30 milhões já tinha sido anunciada pelo próprio num documento enviado à SEC antes do IPO.

Quanto à Morgan Stanley, o comportamento foi deplorável.

Um abraço,
Ulisses

nao percebi porque foi deploravel o comportamento da morgan stanley... tambem nao percebi como se vende 480milhoes de acçoes se so existem 420... aparenente e lendo a conclusao do artigo é que a morgan stanley comprou em 2 tranches os 63 milhoesd de acçoes a 38...! sinceraemnte...nao percebi a jogada!

Já leste bem o que fez a Morgan Stanley?

Não foi deplorável, foi muito deplorável.

Adiante...

Hoje temos o FB verde no Pre-Market sendo a acção com mais volume na Bolsa Nasdaq .

[nuuuuno]

O Zuckerberg tem mais de 500 milhões de acções. E, naturalmente que quer encaixar algum. Aliás, esta venda de 30 milhões já tinha sido anunciada pelo próprio num documento enviado à SEC antes do IPO.

Quanto à Morgan Stanley, o comportamento foi deplorável.

Um abraço,
Ulisses

nao percebi porque foi deploravel o comportamento da morgan stanley... tambem nao percebi como se vende 480milhoes de acçoes se so existem 420... aparenente e lendo a conclusao do artigo é que a morgan stanley comprou em 2 tranches os 63 milhoesd de acçoes a 38...! sinceraemnte...nao percebi a jogada!

[Ulisses Pereira]

O Zuckerberg tem mais de 500 milhões de acções. E, naturalmente que quer encaixar algum. Aliás, esta venda de 30 milhões já tinha sido anunciada pelo próprio num documento enviado à SEC antes do IPO.

Quanto à Morgan Stanley, o comportamento foi deplorável.

Um abraço,
Ulisses

[Storgoff]

You’ll note that Morgan Stanley sold more shares than it bought. That’s the greenshoe. When you sell more shares than you buy, you’re short that stock, so when a bank exercises its greenshoe option, as Morgan Stanley did in this case, it is going short the stock in question.

Why would a company like Facebook want its banks to be short its own stock? Partly because when there’s a big short in the market, that provides upward pressure on the share price. Shorts need to cover their short position — which means they need to buy stock. But more generally, the greenshoe is a way to provide the market with a nice extra slug of shares, which everybody wants if the stock trades substantially higher than its IPO price.

The greenshoe does, however, raise certain existential questions — not least, how can 484 million shares be sold, if only 421 million shares have been issued? Do those extra 63 million shares exist?

Facebook's Zuckerberg, Thiel sell shares

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Facebook Inc. FB -0.39% Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg has sold 30.2 million shares and director Peter Thiel has sold 16.8 million shares of the social-networking company, according to securities filings published late Tuesday. The sales confirm plans detailed in a prospectus before Friday's $16 billion IPO. Zuckerberg sold 30.2 million shares at a price of $37.58 for gross proceeds of $1.13 billion; Thiel sold 16.8 million shares for gross proceeds of $633 million. Facebook insiders had told prospective shareholders of their plans in an S-1 filing last week. Facebook FB -0.39% shares were down 0.8% after hours at $30.74

Fabuloso!!!
Acho que isto diz tudo.

O oportunismo e a ganância no seu máximo.

Então o Zukerberg já não acrediata nos 400% de potencial das suas acções.
Ou será que precisava de dinheiro para pagar as contas de casa??

E a cena do Morgan Stanley...

Ao fim de ja terem uma boa colheita de patos e a IPO garantida ( leia-se garantidas fabulosas comissões pela operação) lá deram um lamiré só a meia dúzia de investidores amigos . Afinal tinham baixado a avaliação do FB.

Fantástico.


De facto o tempo passa mas nada muda.
A época de caça aos patos repete-se vezes sem conta...

[L.S.S]

Facebook continua a cair e faz mínimo histórico no After Hours.

One skeptic, Scott Freeze, the president of Street One Financial, says he won't touch the stock until it falls to a level justified by its earnings. He says that might be $25 — another steep fall from here.http://www.barchart.com/headlines/story.php?id=4779237

[sargotrons]

Facebook's Zuckerberg, Thiel sell shares

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Facebook Inc. FB -0.39% Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg has sold 30.2 million shares and director Peter Thiel has sold 16.8 million shares of the social-networking company, according to securities filings published late Tuesday. The sales confirm plans detailed in a prospectus before Friday's $16 billion IPO. Zuckerberg sold 30.2 million shares at a price of $37.58 for gross proceeds of $1.13 billion; Thiel sold 16.8 million shares for gross proceeds of $633 million. Facebook insiders had told prospective shareholders of their plans in an S-1 filing last week. Facebook FB -0.39% shares were down 0.8% after hours at $30.74

[LTCM]

You’ll note that Morgan Stanley sold more shares than it bought. That’s the greenshoe. When you sell more shares than you buy, you’re short that stock, so when a bank exercises its greenshoe option, as Morgan Stanley did in this case, it is going short the stock in question.

Why would a company like Facebook want its banks to be short its own stock? Partly because when there’s a big short in the market, that provides upward pressure on the share price. Shorts need to cover their short position — which means they need to buy stock. But more generally, the greenshoe is a way to provide the market with a nice extra slug of shares, which everybody wants if the stock trades substantially higher than its IPO price.

The greenshoe does, however, raise certain existential questions — not least, how can 484 million shares be sold, if only 421 million shares have been issued? Do those extra 63 million shares exist?

[LUISSM3]

Alguém tem que fazer alguma coisa pelo facebook.

Vai ser criada uma fundação com fundos do estado e apoio voluntario para ajudar o FB não te preocupes...

[alexandre7ias]

EUA
Reguladores vão investigar IPO do Facebook

Facebook afunda 7% após dois reguladores dos EUA terem sinalizado que vão averiguar as circunstâncias que envolveram o IPO.

As acções da dona da maior rede social do mundo, que já começaram a negociar em queda, adensaram as perdas na sessão de hoje depois de dois responsáveis de reguladores norte-americanos terem colocado pressão acrescida sobre a empresa, os seus colocadores em bolsa e o Nasdaq, onde o Facebook está cotado.

De acordo com a Reuters, o Morgan Stanley, o JP Morgan e o Goldman Sachs, três dos bancos que geriram a colocação em bolsa do Facebook, cortaram as suas estimativas para as receitas da empresa nos dias anteriores à estreia em bolsa.

Richard Ketchum, CEO da Autoridade Reguladora da Indústria Financeira (FINRA), afirmou que os reguladores tencionam averiguar as alegações de que o Morgan Stanley partilhou informações negativas sobre o Facebook nas vésperas da Oferta Pública Inicial (IPO), que decorreu na passada sexta-feira.

"As alegações, se verdadeiras, são motivo de preocupação quanto à regulação" para a FINRA e para a SEC, referiu Ketchum, à Reuters.

Já Mary Schapiro, ‘chairman' da SEC, disse, por seu turno, que os investidores devem ter confiança nos mercados e na sua regulação, mas admitiu que há perguntas às quais se tem de responder.

"Creio que existem muitas razões para ter confiança nos nossos mercados e na integridade com que operam, mas também há questões para as quais temos de olhar, especificamente relacionadas com o Facebook", afirmou a responsável, à saída de uma audição no Senado.

E é neste cenário que as acções do Facebook perdiam 7% até aos 31,64 dólares, depois de já terem chegado a afundar 9% para o mínimo da sessão nos 30,98 dólares, estando 17% abaixo do preço do IPO.

http://economico.sapo.pt/noticias/regul ... 45102.html

[latrinaxxl]

Eu vou dar um: like

[JCS]

Alguém tem que fazer alguma coisa pelo facebook.

[Mcmad]

Alguém tem que fazer alguma coisa pelo facebook.

[JohnnyWolf]

A queda continua... Que "Biolência"... -14%


E o outro que comprou um milhão delas...

Eu comprei...30 e já me está a custar!!!

[artista_]

E o tuga que comprou um milhão de euros de acções do FB?

É bom que não tenha sido com alavancagem, senão deve estar bem entalado.

Mesmo sem alavancagem já está a levar uma porrada valente, sengundo a notícia ele entrou a um preço médio na casa dos 41 dólares!

Será que o Rodrigo Oliveira tem conta no facebook?

Acho que acabou de a fechar!

[sargotrons]

E o tuga que comprou um milhão de euros de acções do FB?

É bom que não tenha sido com alavancagem, senão deve estar bem entalado.

Mesmo sem alavancagem já está a levar uma porrada valente, sengundo a notícia ele entrou a um preço médio na casa dos 41 dólares!

Será que o Rodrigo Oliveira tem conta no facebook?

[Automech]

Mesmo sem alavancagem já está a levar uma porrada valente, sengundo a notícia ele entrou a um preço médio na casa dos 41 dólares!

Sim, -25% num milhão de euros em 3 dias é obra.
(eu também gostava de poder perder assim ):oops:

[sargotrons]

P/E abaixo dos 100!
assim já está muito melhor

[artista_]

E o tuga que comprou um milhão de euros de acções do FB?

É bom que não tenha sido com alavancagem, senão deve estar bem entalado.

Mesmo sem alavancagem já está a levar uma porrada valente, sengundo a notícia ele entrou a um preço médio na casa dos 41 dólares!