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The president of the largest independent steel company, Charles Schwab, lived on borrowed money for five years before he died bankrupt.
The president of North America's largest gas company, Howard Hopson, went insane.
The greatest wheat speculator, Arthur Cutton, died abroad, insolvent.
The president of the New York Stock Exchange, Richard Whitny, was sent to Sing Sing Penitentiary. A member of the President's cabinet, Albert Fall, was pardoned from prison so he could die at home.
The greatest "bear" on Wall Street, Jesse Livermore, died a suicide.
The head of the greatest monopoly, Ivar Krueger, killed himself.
The president of the Bank of International Settlement, Leon Fraser, also died a suicide.
Each of these men learned well the art of earning money, but it would seem that not one of them had ever learned how to live the "rich life", which was their birthright.
Relativamente ao Livermore, não foi o mercado que o levou ao suicidio
Foi toda uma panoplia de problemas, naturalmente financeiros, mas tb familiares, uma das mulheres alvejou o proprio filho entre muitos outros problemas. Ele tb sofria de fortes depressões, tendo a ultima levado-o ao suicidio.
Temos aqui a prova. Ter dinheiro não é sinonimo de felicidade, no entanto ajuda, ai se ajuda
Fazem-se filmes sobre tanta gente, aqui está uma personagem que daria uma magnifica historia.
Bons negocios,
arnie
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A Lesson From History Or Is It?
These men were considered some of the world’s most successful of their day. Now, 80 years later, the history book asks us, if we know what ultimately became of them. The answer:
1. The president of the largest steel company, Charles Schwab, died a pauper.
2. The president of the largest gas company, Edward Hopson, went insane.
3. The president of the NYSE, Richard Whitney, was released from prison to die at home.
4. The greatest wheat speculator, Arthur Cooger, died abroad, penniless.
5. The president of the Bank of International Settlement, shot himself.
6. The Great Bear of Wall Street, Cosabee Livermore, also committed suicide.
However, in that same year, 1923, the PGA Champion and the winner of the most important golf tournament, the US Open, was Gene Sarazen. What became of him? He played golf until he was 92, died in 1999 at the age of 95. He was financially secure at the time of his death. The moral: Screw work. Play golf. You’ll live longer and be better off in the end.
In 1923 at the Edgewater Beach Hotel in Chicago, Illinois, eight of the most powerful and wealthy men in the world gathered together for a meeting. These eight, if they combined their resources and assets, controlled more money than the U.S. Treasury. In that group we find such men as Charles Schwab, the president of a steel company. Richard Whitney was the president of the New York Stock Exchange. Arthur Cutton was a wheat speculator. Albert Fall was a presidential cabinet member, personally a very wealthy man. Jesse Livermore was the greatest bear on Wall Street in his generation. Leon Fraser was the president of the International Bank of Settlements. And Ivan Krueger headed the largest monopoly in the world. Quite an impressive and ambitious group of people!
Let’s look at the same group of men later in life. Charles Schwab died penniless. Richard Whitney spent the rest of his life serving a sentence in Sing Sing Prison. Arthur Cutton became insolvent. Albert Fall was pardoned from a federal prison so he might die at home. Leon Fraser committed suicide. Jesse Livermore committed suicide. Ivan Krueger also committed suicide. Seven of these eight ambitious money-magnates lived lives that ended in disaster before they passed on from this life. Again I ask, are you chasing the wrong dream, my friend?
The lessons we’re to take from this item are many and varied: money and power don’t bring happiness so be careful what dreams you pursue; a lust for wealth is necessarily a corrupting goal; playing golf more and working less will do wonders for your lifespan (and possibly your wallet). Whether one could prove any of these lessons from the examples offered is problematic, as the data have been carefully selected to establish the desired conclusions. One could just as easily draw up a very long list of wealthy and powerful men who did not lose great sums of money, who did not earn their fortunes through fraud, and who lived long, healthy, and happy lives, but none of their names appear here. And by its very nature the list offered here is somewhat self-selecting for failure in the sense that:
· Any sufficiently large list of wealthy and important men from the mid-1920s is bound to include at least some who lost large fortunes, due to the twin financial disasters of the 1929 stock market crash and the economic depression of the 1930s (especially since modern market safeguards had not yet been enacted).
· Any sufficiently large list of very wealthy men from the mid-1920s is bound to include at least some who made their fortunes through now-illegal market manipulations, because much of the legislation which regulates securities, holding companies, and stock markets had not yet been enacted. (As noted above, the fallout from the spectacular collapses of some of the men on the list prompted the passage of much of this type of legislation.)
As with most glurge, we might scratch the surface of this one to find a darker subtext beneath: only a few of us lead lives of privilege, it says; the rest of us can take comfort in a skewed "sour grapes" tale which casts those privileged few as corrupt individuals struggling through flawed, unhappy existences, inevitably suffering disastrous losses of their wealth and health. Perhaps better we not obscure the idea that happiness and misery, kindness and greed, and good works and bad deeds are within the capacities of us all, not merely a select few.
Para REFLEXÃO:
The president of the largest independent steel company, Charles Schwab, lived on borrowed money for five years before he died bankrupt.
The president of North America's largest gas company, Howard Hopson, went insane.
The greatest wheat speculator, Arthur Cutton, died abroad, insolvent.
The president of the New York Stock Exchange, Richard Whitny, was sent to Sing Sing Penitentiary. A member of the President's cabinet, Albert Fall, was pardoned from prison so he could die at home.
The greatest "bear" on Wall Street, Jesse Livermore, died a suicide.
The head of the greatest monopoly, Ivar Krueger, killed himself.
The president of the Bank of International Settlement, Leon Fraser, also died a suicide.
Each of these men learned well the art of earning money, but it would seem that not one of them had ever learned how to live the "rich life", which was their birthright.
The president of the largest independent steel company, Charles Schwab, lived on borrowed money for five years before he died bankrupt.
The president of North America's largest gas company, Howard Hopson, went insane.
The greatest wheat speculator, Arthur Cutton, died abroad, insolvent.
The president of the New York Stock Exchange, Richard Whitny, was sent to Sing Sing Penitentiary. A member of the President's cabinet, Albert Fall, was pardoned from prison so he could die at home.
The greatest "bear" on Wall Street, Jesse Livermore, died a suicide.
The head of the greatest monopoly, Ivar Krueger, killed himself.
The president of the Bank of International Settlement, Leon Fraser, also died a suicide.
Each of these men learned well the art of earning money, but it would seem that not one of them had ever learned how to live the "rich life", which was their birthright.
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é uma palestra de 40 minutos muito interessante, para quem não conhece nada e está a iniciar-se agora é excelente na minha opinião.
é uma palestra de 40 minutos muito interessante, para quem não conhece nada e está a iniciar-se agora é excelente na minha opinião.
já agora
Olá a todos.
Também estou a ponderar me inscrever no curso do Caldeirão, conforme as datas disponíveis. Se pudesse ser em Aveiro para mim seria excelente, tanto em fins de semana como em horário pós-laboral.
Abraço e Bons Negócios a todos.
JH
Também estou a ponderar me inscrever no curso do Caldeirão, conforme as datas disponíveis. Se pudesse ser em Aveiro para mim seria excelente, tanto em fins de semana como em horário pós-laboral.
Abraço e Bons Negócios a todos.
JH
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Talvez 2 fins de semana arrumassem com a questão, se fosse sábado e domingo (curso intensivo), a matéria ficaria quase toda dada... pela menos a Análise Técnica I depois para parte II, agendava-se outra data.
Essa da Universidade é uma boa ideia. Um aluguer de um auditório com computadores era ouro sobre azul.
Essa da Universidade é uma boa ideia. Um aluguer de um auditório com computadores era ouro sobre azul.
Aveiro é boa ideia
Se for em Aveiro, contem comigo.
E talvez não seja necessário reservar uma sala de conferências de um hotel (que são escassos em Aveiro).
Talvez a própria Universidade seja uma hipótese...
E talvez não seja necessário reservar uma sala de conferências de um hotel (que são escassos em Aveiro).
Talvez a própria Universidade seja uma hipótese...
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Queromais.pt Escreveu:Ulisses Pereira Escreveu:Se houver um outro local do país que reúna um número de interessados suficiente para a realização de um curso, nós termos todo o gosto em levá-lo até lá. Infelizmente, é tudo uma questão de custos...![]()
Um abraço,
Ulisses
Eu não me importava de ir a Aveiro aos Sábados, tenho a certeza que valeria muito a pena e que havia muito para aprender.
Vou dar a minha sugestão.
Já fui a alguns congressos médicos e acho que seria um modelo interessante. O caldeirão podia organizar um congresso de apenas um dia, para facilitar o acesso e não ser necessário pagar a dormida em hotéis caríssmos, como faz a indústria farmacêutica. Seria numa zona do centro do país para que qq pessoa podesse lá ir sem ser uma grande deslocação - Aveiro seria uma boa ideia. Alugava-se uma sala de congressos num hotel e passavamos o dia inteiro a ouvir o Ulisses, mais 4 ou 5 pessoas por ele convidadas, a falar de mercados para leigos (algo excessivamente especializado seria pouco atrativo para pessoas que, como eu, que não têm formação específica na área da economia). Se fosse bem divulagada a iniciativa poderia ser um sucesso, ainda mais agora que, com a privatizações, há bastantes pessoas interessadas em investir na bolsa e com interesse em assimilar infiormação de uma forma didática.
Claro que a inscrição iria custar um bom dinheiro, mas se fosse garantido um número bastante grande de inscritos, acabaria por se tornar acessível. Apesar disso um mini-curso intensivo destes nunca ficaria menos de 50 euros. Dado o custo do aluguer duma sala de congressos, ao qual teríamos que somar o pagamento de pessoas cuja hora de trabalho vale ouro, é facil perceber que seria necessário pagar uma inscrição carita. Mas já vi a sala de congressos do Sharaton do Porto com mais de mil pessoas... Seria tudo uma questão de pessoas pelas quais estes custo seriam divididos...
PS: Preço sem almoço incluído!!!
Os stop losses são a melhor forma de não nos afundarmos num mar de esperanças...
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Ulisses Pereira Escreveu:Se houver um outro local do país que reúna um número de interessados suficiente para a realização de um curso, nós termos todo o gosto em levá-lo até lá. Infelizmente, é tudo uma questão de custos...![]()
Um abraço,
Ulisses
Eu não me importava de ir a Aveiro aos Sábados
Exacto, Chicken. Além disso, tenho algumas sugestões de leitura no artigo "Os meus livros", disponível em http://www.caldeiraodebolsa.com/article.php?iId=25
Um abraço,
Ulisses
Um abraço,
Ulisses
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