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Israel's conditions for ending the war have not changed: The destruction of Hamas military and governing capabilities, the freeing of all hostages and ensuring that Gaza no longer poses a threat to Israel.

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Under the proposal, Israel will continue to insist these conditions are met before a permanent ceasefire is put in place. The notion that Israel will agree to a permanent ceasefire before these conditions are fulfilled is a non-starter.

Biden says Israel has offered new hostage and ceasefire proposal to Hamas

US President Joe Biden said Israel had offered a new proposal in negotiations with Hamas to free hostages and bring about a lasting ceasefire, as he urged both sides in the conflict to embrace his hopes for broader peace in the Middle East.

Biden made the comments on Friday in a statement from the White House, saying the proposal would involve three phases.

The first would involve a “full and complete ceasefire” over six weeks, including the withdrawal of Israeli forces from populated areas of Gaza, and the return of some hostages, including Americans, as well as the release of some Palestinian prisoners.

A second phase would involve the release of all hostages and a “permanent cessation of hostilities” while the third phase would relate to the “reconstruction” of Gaza.

Biden: "It's time for this war to end and the day after to begin'

Biden introduces three-tiered ceasefire plan which starts with six week hostility cessation and some hostages released

Israel has proposed a new three-phase ceasefire deal and plan for the day after the war, President Joe Biden said on Friday afternoon during a special address from the White House.

Biden laid out the terms for the agreement which would begin with six weeks of ceased hostilities in which women, children, elderly and injured hostages would be released.

In the first phase, Israeli forces would withdraw from densely populated areas in Gaza.

Some American hostages would be released in the first stage. At this time Palestinians would also return to their homes in all areas of Gaza, including the north. Humanitarian aid would surge to 600 trucks carrying aid into Gaza per day.

With a ceasefire that aid could be safely and effectively distributed, Biden said. Thousands of temporary shelters including housing units will be delivered by the international community.

During the six weeks Israel and Hamas would negotiate the necessary arrangements to get to phase two, which is a permanent ceasefire.

Biden acknowledged there are "a number of details" that need to be negotiated to move from phase one to phase two as Israel will want to make sure its interests are protected.

The proposal says the ceasefire will continue as long as negotiations take should it take longer than six weeks with the US, Egypt and Qatar working to make sure negotiations keep going.

Phase two would include the release of all remaining hostages, including male soldiers.

During phase two Israel would withdraw all its forces from Gaza as long as Hamas lives up to its commitments, according to Biden.

"A temporary ceasefire will become the cessation of hostilities permanently," Biden said, quoting directly from the agreement.

The final and third phase would include the reconstruction plan for Gaza and the release of any final remains of hostages.

"That's the offer that's now on the table," Biden said.

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BearManBull Escreveu:

mais_um Escreveu:

Tenho o meu posicionamento claro. O ocidente devia estar incodicionalmente do lado de Israel até que o Hamas fosse completamente eliminado. A mensagem devia ser absoluta [i]we do not tolerate terrorism]

MarcoAntonio Escreveu:A ideia geral é que um lado não acredita que o outro jamais aceite a sua existência (e não propriamente que um lado não aceite a existência do outro, que não é bem o mesmo).

BearManBull Escreveu:Uma vez terminada a guerra tem de haver um trabalho de delinear as fronteiras finais de Israel e reconhecer a Palestina por toda a gente. Nessa altura sim deve haver uma atitude de encostar Israel à parede de uma forma que seja minimamente aceitavel.

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Why has support for a two-state solution declined so much?

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This is the lowest level of support for this concept among Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and all Israelis, since the beginning of the Pulse, in June 2016, and it is the lowest support for all groups since the start of the Oslo process in the early 1990s .

The survey tested the concept of a two-state confederation between the states of Israel and Palestine. Five components were identified, detailing aspects of freedom of movement; citizenship and residency for refugees and settlers; Jerusalem; and joint authorities for civic affairs. Palestinians and Israeli Jews supported the concept by almost identical percentages: 22% and 21%, respectively, compared to 59% among Israeli Arabs. Surprisingly, support in the Gaza Strip is significantly higher than in the West Bank: 34% and 15%, respectively.

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The deeper divide

The hardening of attitudes is driven by deep concerns about the ultimate goals of the other side. Indeed, perceptions of the other have worsened significantly since mid-2017 and are currently at a low point, with the two sides a mirror image of each other.

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mais_um Escreveu:A OLP reconhece o Estado de Israel e Israel reconhece a OLP como representante do povo palestiniano nas negociações de paz que têm como objectivo a solução de dois Estados e a criação do Estado palestiniano.

Tzachi Hanegbi, conselheiro de Segurança Nacional do primeiro-ministro israelita, Benjamin Netanyahu, revelou esta quarta-feira que a ofensiva militar na Faixa de Gaza vai durar pelo menos mais sete meses, para atingir o objetivo declarado de destruir as capacidades do Hamas, que controla o enclave desde 2007.

MarcoAntonio Escreveu:Pessoal, baixem o tom. Se continuarem com a discussão sobre coxos e idiotas, eu terei de bloquear o tópico.

BearManBull Escreveu:

mais_um Escreveu:Nem consta dos acordos de Oslo o reconhecimento do Estado palestiniano por parte de Israel. O que Israel reconhece nesses acordos é que a OLP é o representate legitmo do povo palestiniano nas negociações de paz.

Nao sei se percebes mas acabas de te contradizer a ti mesmo. O teu argumento era de que a Palestina reconhecia o estado de Israel... afinal agora era um acordo de paz....

Enfim, um coxo parece um sprinter...

MarcoAntonio Escreveu:Como o assunto foi abordado ao longo do dia, deixo aqui isto que me parece bastante informativo. A fonte é israelita (Jerusalem Post) e baseia-se em estudos conduzidos conjuntamente pelo Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, Ramallah e pelo International Program in Conflict Resolution and Mediation, Universidade de Tel Aviv.

Os números são de antes de ataque terrorista do ano passado e subsequentes desenvolvimentos.

Israeli, Palestinian support for two-state solution declines - poll

mais_um Escreveu:Nem consta dos acordos de Oslo o reconhecimento do Estado palestiniano por parte de Israel. O que Israel reconhece nesses acordos é que a OLP é o representate legitmo do povo palestiniano nas negociações de paz.

BearManBull Escreveu:
Isto foi exactamente o oposto. Foi Israel a reconhecer a Palestina.

mais_um Escreveu:Santa ignorância....

Ao vivo e a cores...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8CFL6gHgxI

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace ... t/lecture/

Both Israeli and Palestinian publics still prefer two states to any other democratic framework for resolving the conflict.

Support for a two-state solution among Palestinians and Israelis has declined to just one-third on each side, along with growing opposition to the detailed items of a permanent peace agreement for implementing a two-state solution. Slightly more Israeli Jews support one unequal state under Israeli rule than the two-state solution; but both publics still prefer two states to any other democratic framework for resolving the conflict. Pairs of reciprocal incentives can raise support somewhat on both sides, showing some flexibility particularly among the Israelis. But trust is declining to new low points, and a majority of Palestinians reject four proposed confidence-building measures, while a majority of Israelis accepts half of them.

These are the results of Palestinian-Israeli Pulse: A Joint Poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) in Ramallah and the International Program in Conflict Resolution and Mediation at Tel Aviv University, with funding from the Netherlands Representative Office in Ramallah and the Representative Office of Japan to Palestine through UNDP/PAPP. The joint poll was conducted in December 2022.

Support for the two-state solution dropped significantly among Palestinians and Israeli Jews, from 43% in September 2020 to 33% among the Palestinians, and 34% among Israeli Jews.

Two-thirds of Palestinians and 53% of Israeli Jews are opposed.

Among Israeli Arabs, support remains stable at 60% and opposition at 21%, though this is significantly lower than their support historically, prior to 2020.

Why has support for a two-state solution declined so much?

Among all Israelis – Jews and Arabs – 39% in total support the two-state solution. This is the lowest level of support for this concept among Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and all Israelis, since the beginning of the Pulse, in June 2016, and it is the lowest support for all groups since the start of the Oslo process in the early 1990s .

The survey tested the concept of a two-state confederation between the states of Israel and Palestine. Five components were identified, detailing aspects of freedom of movement; citizenship and residency for refugees and settlers; Jerusalem; and joint authorities for civic affairs. Palestinians and Israeli Jews supported the concept by almost identical percentages: 22% and 21%, respectively, compared to 59% among Israeli Arabs. Surprisingly, support in the Gaza Strip is significantly higher than in the West Bank: 34% and 15%, respectively.

The survey tested other alternatives to the two-state solution: (1) a one-state with equal rights for Israeli Jews and Palestinians; (2) a one-state ruled by one of the sides, with only limited rights for the other:

One equal democratic state is supported by 20% of Israeli Jews, 44% of Israeli Arabs, and 23% of Palestinians. These percentages are lower than those found in the previous Pulse in September 2020.

One non-democratic state ruled by Israel without equality for Palestinians is supported by 37% of Israeli Jews; one Palestinian state without equality for Jews is supported by 30% of Palestinians and 20% of Israeli Arabs. Compared to 2020, the current percentages indicate a slight increase among Israeli Jews and a significant decrease among Palestinians for this alternative.

Little interest in equal voting rights: In the event that Israel annexes the West Bank, a majority on both sides – two-thirds of Palestinians (66%) and over 70 percent of Israeli Jews (71%) – do not believe Palestinians should demand the right to vote. A large majority, more than three-quarters of Palestinians (78%), say they would not vote or participate in Knesset elections in such a case, but nearly 60 percent of Israeli Jews (58%) believe they will.

Attitudes continue to harden when presented with 11 detailed items of a two-state peace package identical to the one we presented in mid-2018 and September 2020. The basis of this plan is drawn from two state negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian leadership over the years. Support has been declining in recent surveys; in 2022 the trend continued, against the background of increased escalation and hard-line political developments in Israel:

A quarter of the Palestinians (26%), 31% of Israeli Jews, and 62% of Israeli Arabs support the detailed peace package. Compared to September 2020, current support among Israeli Jews is down by 5 points, and by 1 point among the Palestinians; but support among Israeli Arabs indicates a 13-point increase (support in 2020 was unusually low in that group). Support among Gazans is more than twice as much as among West Banker: 18% and 38%, respectively. Two years ago, support among West Bankers stood at 25% compared to 31% among Gazans. Among Palestinians and Israeli Jews, the current levels of support for the package are the lowest since 2016.

Large majorities of Palestinians reject all 11 components of the peace package; among Israeli Jews, four of the 11 components receive majority support, while large majorities of Israeli Jews reject five of the components

A Jewish majority among secularists and self-defined left-wingers support the package; among the Palestinians, significant minorities among Fatah voters, the non-religious, and the Gaza Strip support the detailed peace package.

The peace package comprises: a demilitarized Palestinian state; an Israeli withdrawal to the Green Line with equal territorial exchange; family unification in Israel of 100,000 Palestinian refugees; west Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and east Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine; the Jewish Quarter and the Western Wall under Israeli sovereignty, and the Muslim and Christian quarters and the al Haram al Sharif/Temple Mount under Palestinian sovereignty; Israeli and the future state of Palestine will be democratic; the bilateral agreement will be part of a regional agreement with other Arab countries; the US and major Arab countries will ensure full implementation of the agreement by both sides, and the end of the conflict and claims.


The deeper divide

The hardening of attitudes is driven by deep concerns about the ultimate goals of the other side. Indeed, perceptions of the other have worsened significantly since mid-2017 and are currently at a low point, with the two sides a mirror image of each other.

The overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews (84%) and 61% of Palestinians think there is no peace partner on the other side, hence it is impossible to reach a peace agreement. Similarly, 17% of Palestinians believe most Israeli Jews have peaceful intentions, compared to 44% in June 2017 and 39% in June 2018, though the current finding is close to that of 2020 – 18%. On the Israeli side, 12% of Israeli Jews say the same about Palestinians, compared to 33% in June 2017, 35% in June 2018, and 19% in 2020. The largest percentage on each side, 52% among Israeli Jews and 44% of the Palestinians, think the other side wants to wage armed struggle or war, respectively. The overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews (82%) and Palestinians (75%) think the other side will never accept the existence of their independent state.

The overwhelming majority of Palestinians and Israeli Jews, 86% and 85%, respectively, believe the other side cannot be trusted; 50% of Israeli Arabs think Israeli Jews cannot be trusted.

Distrust is reinforced by a prevailing perception on both sides that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is characterized by zero-sum relations: “Nothing can be done that’s good for both sides; whatever is good for one side is bad for the other side.” Findings show that 65% of Israeli Jews, 46% of Israeli Arabs agree, and 71% of Palestinians agree with this dismal zero-sum characterization.


Conclusion

Our findings indicate that both Israeli Jews and Palestinians see the entire land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River (i.e., the whole land of Israel/Palestine) as belonging to their group through high and identical scores (93%). Also, the majority among both publics, 94% among the Palestinians and 68% among Israeli Jews, negate the idea that the land belongs to the other side as well, thus perceiving the territory as exclusive to them.

The Palestinian sample size was 1,270 adults interviewed face to face in the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip in 127 randomly selected locations between December 1 and 4, 2022. The margin of error is +/-3%. The Israeli sample includes 900 adult Israelis interviewed through the Internet by New Wave Research in Hebrew and Arabic between December 6 and 13, 2022. The number of people interviewed inside Israel is 500; West Bank settlers 200; and Israeli Arabs 200. The combined Israeli data file has been reweighted to reflect the exact proportionate size of these three groups in the Israeli society and to reflect current demographic and religious-secular divisions. The margin of error is +/-3.34%.

Jerry Seinfeld says being target of pro-Palestinian protests ‘so dumb’

Jerry Seinfeld says being the target of pro-Palestinian protests at his comedy shows is “so dumb,” arguing demonstrators need to “correct their aim.”

“I love that these young people, they’re trying to get engaged with politics,” Seinfeld said on an episode of Bari Weiss’s “Honestly” podcast, released Tuesday.

“We have to just correct their aim a little bit. They don’t seem to understand that, as comedians, we really don’t control anything,” the 70-year-old comic said.

Seinfeld, who is Jewish, publicly voiced his support for Israel in the aftermath of the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas and has denounced antisemitism.

Weiss, a former conservative columnist for The New York Times, recalled footage of Seinfeld being confronted by protesters who dubbed him a “genocide supporter” and “Nazi scum” while leaving one of her talks in February.

Dozens of students reportedly walked out of the Duke University commencement ceremony in May, ahead of Seinfeld’s scheduled speech.

The war in Gaza has killed about 35,000 Palestinians, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry, which does not distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths. Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed to eliminate Hamas following the militant group’s Oct. 7 attack on southern Israel that killed about 1,200 people.

Asked by Weiss, founder of site The Free Press, about facing protesters, Seinfeld replied, “It’s so silly. It’s like, they want to they want to express this sincere, intense rage. But again, a little off target.”

“So that’s, to me, comedic,” he said.

Seinfeld traveled to Tel Aviv in December to meet with family members of people being held hostage by Hamas. In his interview with Weiss, he called the Israel trip the “most powerful experience” of his life, while appearing to choke up.

The former “Seinfeld” star, who’s largely shied away from talking politics throughout his career, compared political parties on both the left and the right to “mobs.”

“They’re mobs believing their own crap, right? That’s what a political party is: We’re gonna make up a bunch of nonsense and we’ll all agree to it,” he said.

“Let’s print up some bumper stickers and get out there kids — that’s politics,” Seinfeld cracked.

“We’re tribal animals. We’re social creatures. We look for agreement and consensus. We’re driven by agreement and consensus and mob rule — it gives us comfort, gives us certainty,” he told Weiss.

“It’s all BS,” he said.

PMP69 Escreveu:Não nos podemos esquecer, que Israel foi negligente no que se refere ao que se passava em Gaza, e tinha informações suficientes para não ser apanhada desprevenida.