Matérias-Primas: Ouro / Prata
Re: Ouro
Eu vejo no pro real time end of day ou no http://pt.investing.com/
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Re: Prata - Tópico Geral
yep, essa ocorrência foi escandalosa. foi um fixing de preço à like a boss. já não há nem sequer pudor em esconder as manipulações que ocorrem com o fecho de contratos. já tivemos a bronca com o fixing no mercado cambial, com o mercado de txs de juro e parece que não querem ficar por aqui
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Re: Prata - Tópico Geral
via Bloomberg News
A daily silver price used as a benchmark by traders, miners and jewelers risks losing credibility with investors after it was set beyond levels traded on the market. One said the system seemed “broken” and another that clients had adopted alternatives.
The London Bullion Market Association Silver price was set at $13.58 an ounce Thursday, 3.5 percent less than the intraday low on the Comex in New York. On Friday, the LBMA price fixed at $14.08, about 1 percent under the level the spot metal was then trading at and less than the lowest intraday price in the futures market.
“For the second time, we have seen a big discrepancy on the price,” Afshin Nabavi, head of trading and physical sales at MKS (Switzerland) SA, said from Geneva on Friday. “People are going to lose all faith in the fix if this keeps going.”
Investigating Activity
The benchmark is hosted by CME Group Inc. and Thomson Reuters Corp. under a five-year license from the LBMA and overseen by the U.K.’s Financial Conduct Authority. Bloomberg LP competes with Thomson Reuters in selling financial and legal information and trading systems, and posted a rival bid to host the silver pricing in 2014.
“We are investigating the trading activity that took place during the Thursday Jan. 28 auction,” Thomson Reuters said in a statement, adding that it would be “inappropriate” to comment further on the matter at this stage. The benchmark is set in “a transparent electronic auction mechanism designed to adjust the price until there is equilibrium between buy and sell orders,” CME spokesman Chris Grams said by e-mail Thursday.
The LBMA and FCA declined to comment.
Silver was the first precious-metal market to use a daily electronic-benchmark system in London in 2014. Deutsche Bank AG triggered the reforms after it withdrew from the old phone-based fixing that year and as regulators increased scrutiny of how benchmarks are set after probing price setting in interbank-loan rates, currencies and commodities. The new system promised greater efficiency and transparency.
‘Appears Broken’
A possible cause of the fixing being set beyond daily trading ranges is that increased regulation of financial institutions trading with their own money means participants in the silver market are unwilling to jump in and arbitrage disparities in pricing, said Ross Norman, chief executive officer of Sharps Pixley, a London-based precious-metals dealer.
In a Jan. 6 auction, trading lasted 60 rounds, with the process taking almost half an hour to complete. In comparison, the LBMA Gold price, hosted by ICE Benchmark Administration, settled at $1,112.90 an ounce after five rounds of trading on Friday morning in London. That was less than 0.1 percent lower than the prevailing spot price.
“When Thursday’s number came in, people initially thought CME would void it, it was so far out of line with the market,” Brad Yates, head of trading at Elemetal Capital LLC, which trades silver and offers precious metal risk management services, said by phone from Dallas. “When they endorsed it and it became the official print, the benchmark immediately lost credibility. We had two clients shift business away from pricing on the fix to live pricing.”
The silver benchmark has settled outside the same day’s spot trading range at least 10 times in the last six months, compared with twice for gold, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. This had implications beyond the single trading day, as it affects transactions based on averages and price barriers, according to Simon Grenfell, global co-head of commodities at Natixis SA, an LBMA member bank which offers silver trading and risk management services.
“The new silver price setting mechanism appears broken,” Grenfell, said in an e-mailed statement. “It is clearly an issue that the regulator should be looking at.”
A daily silver price used as a benchmark by traders, miners and jewelers risks losing credibility with investors after it was set beyond levels traded on the market. One said the system seemed “broken” and another that clients had adopted alternatives.
The London Bullion Market Association Silver price was set at $13.58 an ounce Thursday, 3.5 percent less than the intraday low on the Comex in New York. On Friday, the LBMA price fixed at $14.08, about 1 percent under the level the spot metal was then trading at and less than the lowest intraday price in the futures market.
“For the second time, we have seen a big discrepancy on the price,” Afshin Nabavi, head of trading and physical sales at MKS (Switzerland) SA, said from Geneva on Friday. “People are going to lose all faith in the fix if this keeps going.”
Investigating Activity
The benchmark is hosted by CME Group Inc. and Thomson Reuters Corp. under a five-year license from the LBMA and overseen by the U.K.’s Financial Conduct Authority. Bloomberg LP competes with Thomson Reuters in selling financial and legal information and trading systems, and posted a rival bid to host the silver pricing in 2014.
“We are investigating the trading activity that took place during the Thursday Jan. 28 auction,” Thomson Reuters said in a statement, adding that it would be “inappropriate” to comment further on the matter at this stage. The benchmark is set in “a transparent electronic auction mechanism designed to adjust the price until there is equilibrium between buy and sell orders,” CME spokesman Chris Grams said by e-mail Thursday.
The LBMA and FCA declined to comment.
Silver was the first precious-metal market to use a daily electronic-benchmark system in London in 2014. Deutsche Bank AG triggered the reforms after it withdrew from the old phone-based fixing that year and as regulators increased scrutiny of how benchmarks are set after probing price setting in interbank-loan rates, currencies and commodities. The new system promised greater efficiency and transparency.
‘Appears Broken’
A possible cause of the fixing being set beyond daily trading ranges is that increased regulation of financial institutions trading with their own money means participants in the silver market are unwilling to jump in and arbitrage disparities in pricing, said Ross Norman, chief executive officer of Sharps Pixley, a London-based precious-metals dealer.
In a Jan. 6 auction, trading lasted 60 rounds, with the process taking almost half an hour to complete. In comparison, the LBMA Gold price, hosted by ICE Benchmark Administration, settled at $1,112.90 an ounce after five rounds of trading on Friday morning in London. That was less than 0.1 percent lower than the prevailing spot price.
“When Thursday’s number came in, people initially thought CME would void it, it was so far out of line with the market,” Brad Yates, head of trading at Elemetal Capital LLC, which trades silver and offers precious metal risk management services, said by phone from Dallas. “When they endorsed it and it became the official print, the benchmark immediately lost credibility. We had two clients shift business away from pricing on the fix to live pricing.”
The silver benchmark has settled outside the same day’s spot trading range at least 10 times in the last six months, compared with twice for gold, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. This had implications beyond the single trading day, as it affects transactions based on averages and price barriers, according to Simon Grenfell, global co-head of commodities at Natixis SA, an LBMA member bank which offers silver trading and risk management services.
“The new silver price setting mechanism appears broken,” Grenfell, said in an e-mailed statement. “It is clearly an issue that the regulator should be looking at.”
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Re: Prata - Tópico Geral
Por aqui anda assim, pouco interessante 
Falta a vela de hoje que segue a ganhar 1% para os 14,20
Falta a vela de hoje que segue a ganhar 1% para os 14,20
"Quando a música acaba, apagam-se as luzes." The Door's
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Re: Prata - Tópico Geral
o preço já comprimiu durante tempo suficiente, não me parece "sustentável" que continue por aqui mais tempo. estou á espera de movimento forte na prata a iniciar-se esta semana. só não sei para que lado 
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Re: Ouro
Agora já está. Aquela vela de ontem, abaixo dos 1080 disse-me: "salta fora zeca. Saca o teu."
hoje o sacana, sobe.
Sacudiu-me com uma pinta do caraças.
Tinha ido dar leite aos pitos, era o que tinha feito melhor.
Irra, C#$#%/&S F#"$%M isto.
hoje o sacana, sobe.
Sacudiu-me com uma pinta do caraças.
Tinha ido dar leite aos pitos, era o que tinha feito melhor.
Irra, C#$#%/&S F#"$%M isto.
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Re: Ouro
ricardmag Escreveu:Nada disso zecatreca
Estou que devias ter esperado pelo menos um fecho abaixo dos 1085
ric
falta a vela de hoje pah.
ora vê lá como está o grafico.
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Re: Ouro
O ric agoirou com o gráfico dele e eu sai.
Não estou a gostar das velas de ontem e hj.
Arrre..!!!!!!
.arrecada e espera. Fechei.
Não estou a gostar das velas de ontem e hj.
Arrre..!!!!!!
.arrecada e espera. Fechei.
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Re: Ouro
rg7803 Escreveu:o zeca já estragou o trade bolas...ave de mau agoiro
zeca/jalves, algumas mineiras a seguir caso o "oiro" decida acordar: AUY, GG, GFI (gosto desta...)
Há uns 7 anos acompanhei muito uma acção que era a DROOY não sei se ela ainda existe
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Re: Ouro
rg7803 Escreveu:o zeca já estragou o trade bolas...ave de mau agoiro
zeca/jalves, algumas mineiras a seguir caso o "oiro" decida acordar: AUY, GG, GFI (gosto desta...)
Eu não agoiro.
Não gosto de ser mau para a minha carteira.
Ela não merece. a principal zona, se lá for, vai ser nos 1130s.
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Re: Ouro
J Alves Escreveu:zequinha a velinha diária no ouro não foi grande espingarda
Já estive a ver.
Se for aos 1086 a coisa volta novamente para sul.
Abaixo dos 1080 salto fora.
Haja paciência que eu já aprendi a ter ...alguma.
Abraço
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Re: Ouro
zecatreca_2 Escreveu:J Alves Escreveu:zecatreca_2 Escreveu:1118 e a zona dos 1130´s são interessantes Para sair e esperar para ver como corre.
quando lá chegar pagas o jantar
Por falar nisso...para quando?
Vamos agendar pro final do mês
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Re: Ouro
J Alves Escreveu:zecatreca_2 Escreveu:1118 e a zona dos 1130´s são interessantes Para sair e esperar para ver como corre.
quando lá chegar pagas o jantar
Por falar nisso...para quando?
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