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Templeton’s take: The stock market is broken Last week, a friend was kind enough to e-mail a copy of an interview that Sir John Templeton gave recently to Robert J. Flaherty of Equities magazine. I, in turn, would like to share its wisdom with you.
During previous interviews with the publication in 1999 and 2000, Sir John said investors should expect a 1929-style crash in stocks. Flaherty notes that those earlier interviews prompted two very different responses. Some folks expressed gratitude for the money they'd saved by reading Sir John's comments (both at the time and later), while others opined that Sir John was "old and out of touch," and what did he know about today's market, anyway?

In his current interview, Sir John, who is now 90, devotes most of his thoughts to the housing market. What he tells Flaherty comes as surprise to the downside, since the writer had been expecting to hear more encouraging words: "Because I was hoping for good news," Flaherty writes, "I was personally taken aback and depressed by Sir John's short-term pessimism."

In that vein, Sir John offers this observation about Wall Street at large: "The stock market is broken, and it will take some time, maybe years, to repair it. Mass media, especially TV (read: Bubblevision) today is so short-term that few in its audience grasp the lasting damage and corrective impact which will continue to linger from the greatest financial crash in world history."

He continues: "It would be unlikely that the bear market is over when the American stock market is only down about 30%, when in the biggest boom ever, it had been up 10 times over where it had been years earlier. . . . Following such a large increase, a 30% decrease is small." (I am assuming that here, he was obviously not talking about the Nasdaq ($COMPX).)

I guess I like that passage because it's a refrain that I've often pounded away at .

Bear markets and housing markets

Moving on to housing prices, Sir John comments: "Every previous major bear market has been accompanied by a bear market in home prices. . . . This time, home prices have gone up 20%, and this represents a very dangerous situation. When home prices do start down, they will fall remarkably far. In Japan, home prices are down to less than half what they were at the stock market peak." Sir John adds, "A home price decline of as little as 20% would put a lot of people in bankruptcy."

Sir John also had a few words about debt -- a four-letter word that folks seem not to care about: "Emphasize in your magazine how big the debt is. . . . The total debt of America is now $31 trillion. That is three times the GNP of the U.S. That is unprecedented in a major nation. No nation has ever had such a big debt as America has, and it's bigger than it was at the peak of the stock market boom. Think of the dangers involved. Almost everyone has a home mortgage, and some are 89% of the value of the home (and yes, some are more).

If home prices start down, there will be bankruptcies, and in bankruptcy, houses are sold at lower prices, pushing home prices down further." On that note, he has a word of advice: "After home prices go down to one-tenth of the highest price homeowners paid, then buy."

Well, that's a pretty extreme view, even for me. But I guess it shows you how bearish Sir John is. I'm sure his latest comments will elicit the same kind of response as when he shared his bearish views during the bubble -- that he just doesn't get it. (It's certainly the earful that I and others heard on the back of our bearish sentiments.) Folks who make that argument, protesting that this time it's different, are generally in the unfortunate position of having confused a bull market/rising prices with brains.

and there you have it...

By: Bill Fleckenstein