Cramer: "Of Course the Jobs Number Was Terrible"
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A missão do FED não é vir em socorro de especuladores. O mercado accionista está ainda próximo de máximos históricos e vai ter que corrigir, mm que isso não seja o mais desejável para muita gente. O sector financeiro vai passar por graves problemas devido ao facilitismo na concessão de crédito à habitação e ao consumo. Os dados económicos das economias ocidentais não são animadores sendo expectável que o desempenho das bolsas nos EUA e Europa seja negativo em 2008.
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Antonio Vieira Escreveu:Djovarius, traduzindo em duas linhasó k é k o sr Paul Volcker fez? Obrigado
Elevou as taxas de juro até aos 20% para combater a inflacção que ia nos dois digitos.
Engraçado que foi uma crise que muitos dizem ter sido causada por dois actores principais: petróleo e adubo (para os cereais). Parece familiar?
Obviamente que as taxas de juro nesses valores impossibilitaram investimento que levou ao desemprego de muita gente, mas foi o preço a pagar pelos excessos anteriores e a meu ver o resultado a longo prazo foi positivo já que sabemos como foi o crescimento económico dos EUA até ao fim do sec. XX
Be Galt. Wear the message!
The market does not beat them. They beat themselves, because though they have brains they cannot sit tight. - Jesse Livermore
The market does not beat them. They beat themselves, because though they have brains they cannot sit tight. - Jesse Livermore
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Ou eu não entendi bem o Djovarius ou está a advogar estas consequências:
"Chairman of the Federal Reserve
Paul Volker was appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve in August 1979 by President Jimmy Carter and reappointed in 1983 by President Ronald Reagan. [2] Volcker's Fed is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s by limiting the growth of the money supply, abandoning the previous policy of targeting interest rates. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983. [1] The change in policy contributed to the significant recession the U.S. economy experienced in the early 1980s, which included the highest unemployment levels since the Great Depression.
However, Volcker's Fed also elicited the strongest political attacks and most wide-spread protests in the history of the Federal Reserve (unlike any protests experienced since 1922) due to the effects of the high interest rates on the construction and farming sectors, culminating in indebted farmers driving their tractors onto C Street and blockading the Eccles Building"
retirado da wikipedia - o sublinhado é meu.
Estou certo que nos tempos actuais o "barulho" desta política seria muito maior, e as consequências também mais gravosas.
Gonanto
"Chairman of the Federal Reserve
Paul Volker was appointed Chairman of the Federal Reserve in August 1979 by President Jimmy Carter and reappointed in 1983 by President Ronald Reagan. [2] Volcker's Fed is widely credited with ending the United States' stagflation crisis of the 1970s by limiting the growth of the money supply, abandoning the previous policy of targeting interest rates. Inflation, which peaked at 13.5% in 1981, was successfully lowered to 3.2% by 1983. [1] The change in policy contributed to the significant recession the U.S. economy experienced in the early 1980s, which included the highest unemployment levels since the Great Depression.
However, Volcker's Fed also elicited the strongest political attacks and most wide-spread protests in the history of the Federal Reserve (unlike any protests experienced since 1922) due to the effects of the high interest rates on the construction and farming sectors, culminating in indebted farmers driving their tractors onto C Street and blockading the Eccles Building"
retirado da wikipedia - o sublinhado é meu.
Estou certo que nos tempos actuais o "barulho" desta política seria muito maior, e as consequências também mais gravosas.
Gonanto
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O FED acabou de anunciar que vai despejar mais 60 mil milhões de USD no mercado.
O mercado parece que não quer saber disso para nada, nem mexe... o mercado quer ouvir o que se vai passar com as taxas e mais nada.
Ben... insert coin and try again
O mercado parece que não quer saber disso para nada, nem mexe... o mercado quer ouvir o que se vai passar com as taxas e mais nada.
Ben... insert coin and try again

Be Galt. Wear the message!
The market does not beat them. They beat themselves, because though they have brains they cannot sit tight. - Jesse Livermore
The market does not beat them. They beat themselves, because though they have brains they cannot sit tight. - Jesse Livermore
O que o Sr. Cramer é que o FED volte a combater o fogo com o fogo, situação que originou todos os problemas da actualidade, como já citei num artigo recente.
Eles só têm margem para descer os juros até uns 3.25 - 3.5% o que vai originar uma taxa real neutra.
Para resolver o problema de fundo façam como Paul Volcker. Basta ler sobre este na Wikipedia. Com menos dores do que se pensava, acabou com as bolhas e deixou os mercados numa situação que permitiu uma recuperação saudável em vez de uma recuperação baseada em liquidez, bolhas, etc...
Enfim.
Abraço
djovarius
Eles só têm margem para descer os juros até uns 3.25 - 3.5% o que vai originar uma taxa real neutra.
Para resolver o problema de fundo façam como Paul Volcker. Basta ler sobre este na Wikipedia. Com menos dores do que se pensava, acabou com as bolhas e deixou os mercados numa situação que permitiu uma recuperação saudável em vez de uma recuperação baseada em liquidez, bolhas, etc...
Enfim.
Abraço
djovarius
Cuidado com o que desejas pois todo o Universo pode se conjugar para a sua realização.
Eu não percebo é como é que ele acha que se deve ignorar o preço da comida e da gasolina... nem é nada que a malta precise de consumir nem nada
Neste momento é muito fácil de criticar o FED, se tivessem cortado mais haveria criticas não do Cramer mas de outro lado qualquer.
Gosto de acreditar que o Presidente do FED é o Sr. Bernanke e não o Cramer por alguma razão mas enfim... se o mercado pedir muito (e as TBills pedem muito) duvido que o FED tenha outra opção.
Ouvi que hoje o Presidente Bush, o Secretário do Tesouro Paulson e o Presidente do FED Bernanke se vão reunir para debater os problemas recentes.
Há uma conferência de imprensa mas não sei se o mercado ainda está aberto. Alguém sabe quando é que eles falam ao "povo" ?

Neste momento é muito fácil de criticar o FED, se tivessem cortado mais haveria criticas não do Cramer mas de outro lado qualquer.
Gosto de acreditar que o Presidente do FED é o Sr. Bernanke e não o Cramer por alguma razão mas enfim... se o mercado pedir muito (e as TBills pedem muito) duvido que o FED tenha outra opção.
Ouvi que hoje o Presidente Bush, o Secretário do Tesouro Paulson e o Presidente do FED Bernanke se vão reunir para debater os problemas recentes.
Há uma conferência de imprensa mas não sei se o mercado ainda está aberto. Alguém sabe quando é que eles falam ao "povo" ?
Be Galt. Wear the message!
The market does not beat them. They beat themselves, because though they have brains they cannot sit tight. - Jesse Livermore
The market does not beat them. They beat themselves, because though they have brains they cannot sit tight. - Jesse Livermore
É o Circo...
Tá tudo perdido.
A FED não faz o que devia fazer e os EUA à beira de uma eleição de um democrata para a casa branca.
O NDX já bem abaixo dos 2000 pontos e toda a gente com espirito Bear.
Não é por estas alturas que mais dia menos dia, será de esperar um inversão da tendência?
Já estou a ver... a sair resultados negativos ou abaixo do esperado (que já toda a gente está à espera) e as cotações a subir.
Será que vamos ter buy on the (alredy expected) bad news?
Stock
A FED não faz o que devia fazer e os EUA à beira de uma eleição de um democrata para a casa branca.
O NDX já bem abaixo dos 2000 pontos e toda a gente com espirito Bear.
Não é por estas alturas que mais dia menos dia, será de esperar um inversão da tendência?
Já estou a ver... a sair resultados negativos ou abaixo do esperado (que já toda a gente está à espera) e as cotações a subir.
Será que vamos ter buy on the (alredy expected) bad news?
Stock
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nada na manga, tudo na mão.
nada na manga, tudo na mão.
"Only a Housing Crash Will Wake Up the Fed"
By Jim Cramer
RealMoney.com Columnist
1/4/2008 9:54 AM EST
"Bonds are right. The Fed is wrong. The Fed is simply captured by ethanol-based inflation. It doesn't understand how the economy is working. It is focused on the cost of food and not the cost of homes.
When the book is written on this recession, it will say that the Fed didn't realize that the economy is in a deflationary spiral, as the bonds know but the academics don't.
You know something? If Bernanke ever, ever traded Treasuries, he would be really worried. He would see that the inflation he is focused on is illusory and totally oil-based, with a ridiculous obsession on ethanol that should be over but is escalating.
Now the Fed has to confront what its models are really worried about: lower employment.
So what has to happen to move these guys in the face of their bowing to ethanol-based inflation?
OK, here goes: Two to three homebuilders must have the plug pulled on them. We need to see two major mortgage insurers go belly-up. We need to see IndyMac (IMB - commentary - Cramer's Take) and Washington Mutual (WM - commentary - Cramer's Take) go under.
We will get it at this pace.
And the only thing they are paralyzed by is ethanol. We must end ethanol as a fuel to save this country's working class. Or they are going to start regarding themselves as working class -- wasn't that the outcome of Iowa?
Fortunately, everyone is so negative. Unfortunately, if you look at Intel (INTC - commentary - Cramer's Take), you know that we have totally lost tech, even as I am itching to buy it.
Can't.
Unless the Fed eases now, because most of the tech business models need 4% growth to work.
We just lost that for certain. "
(in www.realmoney.com)
By Jim Cramer
RealMoney.com Columnist
1/4/2008 9:54 AM EST
"Bonds are right. The Fed is wrong. The Fed is simply captured by ethanol-based inflation. It doesn't understand how the economy is working. It is focused on the cost of food and not the cost of homes.
When the book is written on this recession, it will say that the Fed didn't realize that the economy is in a deflationary spiral, as the bonds know but the academics don't.
You know something? If Bernanke ever, ever traded Treasuries, he would be really worried. He would see that the inflation he is focused on is illusory and totally oil-based, with a ridiculous obsession on ethanol that should be over but is escalating.
Now the Fed has to confront what its models are really worried about: lower employment.
So what has to happen to move these guys in the face of their bowing to ethanol-based inflation?
OK, here goes: Two to three homebuilders must have the plug pulled on them. We need to see two major mortgage insurers go belly-up. We need to see IndyMac (IMB - commentary - Cramer's Take) and Washington Mutual (WM - commentary - Cramer's Take) go under.
We will get it at this pace.
And the only thing they are paralyzed by is ethanol. We must end ethanol as a fuel to save this country's working class. Or they are going to start regarding themselves as working class -- wasn't that the outcome of Iowa?
Fortunately, everyone is so negative. Unfortunately, if you look at Intel (INTC - commentary - Cramer's Take), you know that we have totally lost tech, even as I am itching to buy it.
Can't.
Unless the Fed eases now, because most of the tech business models need 4% growth to work.
We just lost that for certain. "
(in www.realmoney.com)
Cramer: "Of Course the Jobs Number Was Terrible"
"Of Course the Jobs Number Was Terrible"
By Jim Cramer
RealMoney.com Columnist
1/4/2008 9:03 AM EST
"No kidding.
With the layoffs we have seen, with the Treasuries where they are, how could anyone have expected more jobs to be created?
And yet the Fed sends a message through The Wall Street Journal that inflation is the worry. Doesn't matter that it is ethanol -- food- and oil-related -- that's the worry.
No wonder we are going to get hammered.
This Fed is a travesty. If they do not move today, it will be revealed that they are even more a bunch of rank amateurs than I thought. But it will be hard for them to do, given the WSJ story and given their incrementalism, which is to take us into a recession right around election time. These guys can't even play politics right.
I am extremely disillusioned about what's happening now. Only sentiment, which is extremely negative among hedge funds, and valuation makes me even remotely positive, and again, that's just in infrastructure/oil/ag with the hope that someone will recognize that health care/Coke (KO - commentary - Cramer's Take - Rating)-a-Mo (MO - commentary - Cramer's Take - Rating) might work. We lost the latter by the end of the day yesterday.
The idea of the Fed is to prevent what's about to occur, if it can be prevented.
But I guess the textbooks say otherwise.
And by the way, isn't it time, now that Iowa is behind us, that someone starts telling the truth about ethanol and the making of the American working class through food poverty?
At the time of publication, Cramer was long Altria. "
(in www.realmoney.com)
By Jim Cramer
RealMoney.com Columnist
1/4/2008 9:03 AM EST
"No kidding.
With the layoffs we have seen, with the Treasuries where they are, how could anyone have expected more jobs to be created?
And yet the Fed sends a message through The Wall Street Journal that inflation is the worry. Doesn't matter that it is ethanol -- food- and oil-related -- that's the worry.
No wonder we are going to get hammered.
This Fed is a travesty. If they do not move today, it will be revealed that they are even more a bunch of rank amateurs than I thought. But it will be hard for them to do, given the WSJ story and given their incrementalism, which is to take us into a recession right around election time. These guys can't even play politics right.
I am extremely disillusioned about what's happening now. Only sentiment, which is extremely negative among hedge funds, and valuation makes me even remotely positive, and again, that's just in infrastructure/oil/ag with the hope that someone will recognize that health care/Coke (KO - commentary - Cramer's Take - Rating)-a-Mo (MO - commentary - Cramer's Take - Rating) might work. We lost the latter by the end of the day yesterday.
The idea of the Fed is to prevent what's about to occur, if it can be prevented.
But I guess the textbooks say otherwise.
And by the way, isn't it time, now that Iowa is behind us, that someone starts telling the truth about ethanol and the making of the American working class through food poverty?
At the time of publication, Cramer was long Altria. "
(in www.realmoney.com)
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